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Kate Middleton’s World of Pure Imagination

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Show Notes

Unsurprisingly, this episode features copious discussion of the “Where is Kate Middleton?” scandal. Theories, conspiracies, and commentary on how badly the Royal Family messed this up abound. But we also weigh in on the hilarious disaster that was The Willy Wonka Chocolate Experience in Glasgow and where the responsibility lies in this new world of AI. Some discussion was had about Delta’s horrible timing in increasing checked-bag prices right as people wait for Boeing airplanes to fall out of the sky (and a whistleblower mysteriously turns up… not so alive). And we have some thoughts on HP leaning hard into the subscription service trend for their mediocre printers. You know you need to hear our thoughts on all of these vitally important topics!


[00:00:00] Welcome to Just Trust Me: A Royal Rendezvous

[00:00:00] Rachel Moore: Welcome to Just Trust Me, the marketing podcast that wouldn’t dare Photoshop a family pic in the middle of a scandal. I’m your host, Rachel Moore. I rate my interest in the Royals at about a five out of 10 crown jewels. They pique my interest on occasion.

[00:00:14] I mostly just follow the posts of friends of ours who do follow them rigorously.

[00:00:19] Royal Fascinations and Personal Ratings

[00:00:19] Rachel Moore: Tanya, introduce yourself first and then tell us your rating for the Royals interest.

[00:00:24] Tanya: Tanya Ballard Brown I would say I am maybe an eight crown jewels on a scale of ten but with a caveat. I am from Charlotte, North Carolina, which is named for Queen Charlotte and like Mecklenburg County where they were like, she was a black lady, and I went to Ottawa where there was like a portrait of her.

[00:00:45] And I went to stand in some kind of government building in Ottawa where they had a portrait of her and I was like, yeah, she looks black to me. As that piqued my interest as a kid, and so I’ve been to London a few times, and I’m always, I do the things because, I went to Buckingham Palace for the changing of the guards and various and sundry museums and such, so I’m interested in this part. The current, and I was very sad when Diana was killed.

[00:01:16] I did follow the boys for a skosh. I’ve never been into the other one. I was always like the ginger one, but mostly cause he was the little brother in the spare. So it was like poor little Harry the spare.

[00:01:30] I did get up at the crack of dawn and put on a whole outfit and make Pim’s cups when the black princess,

[00:01:38] When that wedding happened and went to my friend’s house for a whole English breakfast thing. And my sister in law is British. So there’s that.

[00:01:48] Elizabeth: Yeah.

[00:01:50] Tanya: However, I did not follow all the ins and outs of the Kate fixing. I was aware enough that she had disappeared, supposedly.

[00:02:02] Rachel Moore: Elizabeth, please

[00:02:04] introduce yourself and rate your interest in the Royals. Go

[00:02:09] Elizabeth: All right, so I would say generally my interest in the Royals is at a 2 out of 10. I feel for the people of England and the people of Ireland and all the countries that have been colonized by the British Roman Empire or the British Empire. So

[00:02:26] Rachel Moore: British Roman Empire.

[00:02:27] Elizabeth: British Roman Empire.

[00:02:28] When you say empire, you always want to say Roman Empire, right?

[00:02:31] I don’t know why. well, I know everybody all dudes do. Empire. As Tanya was saying, it’s the weddings. I remember for Kate and Will’s wedding, I woke up at three o’clock in the morning made myself a cup of Earl Grey tea in my fancy china, felt so special.

[00:02:50] Then when Megan and Harry got married It was a little later in the day, which was nice. And I had a child and she and I made fascinators out of paper plates, which was very cute. I have great pictures of it. Maybe we’ll post it to our Instagram. So my interest in the Royals spikes at about a five when it comes to like big events that are happening, right? I am team Megan and Harry all day long.


[00:03:17] Elizabeth: But I will say it is spiked to 12 out of 10 in the last couple of days.

[00:03:26] I normally don’t give a shit about these people. And one of my best friends, who’s a mutual friend of ours, Samantha, is very well versed in the Royals. And as my daughter was getting into the car, Samantha called me to explain a lot of stuff that was happening.

[00:03:40] And I was fully in rapture. It’s like sitting in front of your kindergarten teacher on the rug and just being so excited to learn about what she’s going to tell you.

[00:03:49] That’s how I feel every time she talks to anybody about history, the Royals, she’s very big into the Romanovs. It’s fascinating, right? So on my way home just now, like literally 20 minutes ago, I was talking to her all about this whole situation and she was informing me because she is definitely more educated on it than I am.

[00:04:10] It’s literally all I can think of keep in mind. I’m also unemployed. So I have a little bit extra attention to give to what the fuck is going on with Kate Middleton.

[00:04:21] Rachel Moore: Yeah. We’ll probably link Sam’s TikTok Yeah, cuz like you said I love watching her cuz she’s basically schooling you about

[00:04:27] all the

[00:04:28] Elizabeth: is, Oh my God. She’s so good.

[00:04:30] Tanya: I forgot about that. Now give me the TikTok just so I can watch it. But yes, you’re right.

[00:04:35] Rachel Moore: So for those of you listening, who maybe aren’t going to go check out Sam’s TikTok right this second.

[00:04:41] The Kate Middleton PR Disaster Unraveled

[00:04:41] Rachel Moore: Let’s talk about the Kate Middleton PR disaster, because yes, this is a disaster. And Elizabeth, I’ll give it to you if you want, because you’re our zeitgeist person, B I think, again, you just got schooled by our resident expert.

[00:04:54] Tell us, what are we talking about? Because there is a PR disaster going on with the Royals and it’s all surrounding Kate Middleton. What

[00:05:00] Elizabeth: Alright, so let’s start around December 28th, right? She was filmed around Christmas with her family, no problem. On December 28th, a vehicle brought somebody to the hospital outside of Kensington Palace, right? We did not hear anything about it. Then shortly after we had been told thatKate Middleton is having some sort of abdominal surgery, very vague.

[00:05:26] She’s really not going to be involved in any official events until Easter. That was the whole thing.

[00:05:33] Tanya: In the length of time was why people were like, she’s getting

[00:05:37] Elizabeth: Exactly my other favorite theory is that she’s growing out bangs. She cut bangs and didn’t like them. She just hid in the corners until they grow out.

[00:05:48] I will not judge that either.

[00:05:51] Somebody shows up and goes to hospital on December 28th, and the crown tells us that she’s going to be out of commission until Easter sometime. Now, keep in mind, we’re not even to Easter.

[00:06:02] A handful of weeks ago, they showed the very first picture. It’s a grainy picture of her supposedly in a car with her mother.

[00:06:09] She looks beautiful. Very bloated. It honestly, to me, doesn’t look like her. It looks like Pippa and I’m not saying Pippa looks very bloated. But it doesn’t look like her. That’s where people start to question it. But at this point people are like, I don’t give a shit about the Royals.

[00:06:22] This is fine. And then they make the big mistake of posting her mother’s day photo. So the mother’s day photo is of her and her three children. And when they release it, it’s so obviously Photoshopped, to the point where people are actually speculating.

[00:06:41] And I honestly believe it. Cause I’ve seen it like compared pixel to pixel that her face on this mother’s day photo was actually taken from a Vogue photo shoot she had done years ago. Cause honestly, like in this photo, she looks a lot younger. I’m not blaming anybody I’ve aged too, baby, but she definitely does not look the age she should be at this point.

[00:07:05] So that came out. People are like, this is photoshopped the AP and like Getty Images and a lot of other organizations came out and said we’ve rejected this photo. The source, which means Kensington Palace and the Royal family has refused to provide us a backup, like an alternative photo.

[00:07:27] And so please do not share this photo anymore. Now, what I’ve learned about like the AP, et cetera, is they don’t care if you increase the saturation. They don’t care if you smooth some flyaways. But when there are changes to the photo that are so obviously not organic, that’s the only reason they’re rejecting it.

[00:07:49] Rachel Moore: That was the first time I really didn’t care. I was whatever, she’s worn out bangs or she had a weird surgery. I really don’t, I could give no less shits. But as soon as I saw that AP thing, I’m like, hold up. That was when I was like,

[00:08:02] Tanya: Look at that. I had seen it and I was like that looks weird and moved on. Cause I wasn’t using it for anything and I don’t have any particular love for Kate. I, again I’m Harry and Megan. I ride for them all day long though. I do want them to fade to the back a little bit. But I went back to see the photo and I was like, oh, I mean like the reason my brain was like, that’s weird on the first look is because it was weird.

[00:08:26] Elizabeth: was weird. Now, Tanya, let me ask you as a journalist, how often are they saying we think this is doctored without any additional information and they pull it entirely? Because there was a kill notification on this photo.

[00:08:40] Tanya: Yeah,

[00:08:40] Elizabeth: normal?

[00:08:42] Tanya: In the last two years at my current gig, I haven’t seen those, but we don’t use AP and AP is the main place I’ve seen take this photo down kinds of things, but even then it was not like something you would get every day or once a week or, with any frequency.

[00:09:00] So it’s certainly more the exception than the norm.

[00:09:03] Elizabeth: It’s not common. So they took the photo down. Then Catherine, Princess Kate Middleton, Duchess, whatever you want to call her, comes out on her Twitter and says, and basically the photo had been attributed to Prince William, that he was taking the photo, and she comes out and says, basically, like any other amateur photographer, I was playing around with photoshop, and I apologize if there was any confusion about this picture I provided. Now, when you look at the picture itself the things that are edited are very weird. There’s no reason to edit them, like Charlotte’s sleeve is very weird. You can tell that this thing has been cobbled together.

[00:09:50] Even I could look at this and be like, this was obviously Photoshop. And I know some people have some questions about was this fully AI? No, I don’t think it was. Part of me thinks there was some question about all of the kids had been wearing those clothes at an event in December, and did we grab those pictures from them?

[00:10:08] My biggest concern is, I really do believe the photo of her Is from that Vogue cover shoot because her line of sight is different from the kids. The kids are looking directly at the camera and she’s looking off to the side and it’s the exact same thing when you’re looking at that Vogue photo shoot picture.

[00:10:27] And people have put the Vogue photo shoot over the Mother’s Day picture. And we’re like, it’s the exact same picture. And I know you have people who are like, Oh she’s just very practiced that smiling. No, I’m sorry. There is never a situation where our faces will exactly produce the same thing. The crow’s feet are the same. The dimples are the same. Every line in the face is the same and her eye line is the same, and she’s looking off in a different direction than her kids are looking directly at the camera.

[00:10:56] Like Rachel, you mentioned earlier, I did not give a shit about this until it got weird. And I think this is a perfect example of the Streisand effect. You did not need to release a photo for Mother’s Day in the UK, right?

[00:11:11] Especially if we know you’re like, whatever, convalescing from some sort of issue and they made it worse. And then they made it even worse when she came out and said, I did the photoshopping because who pictures that Kate MIddleton at 10 o’clock at night is editing her own photos.

[00:11:32] Tanya: Well, listen! If

[00:11:33] She’s bedridden, maybe that was all she had to do. Maybe she was like, Thank

[00:11:39] Rachel Moore: I’m bored.

[00:11:40] Elizabeth: bored.

[00:11:41] Tanya: that

[00:11:42] Rachel Moore: used up so do good Sudoku

[00:11:43] Tanya: Bless her heart, we joke about that lady. But remember that lady that was like, I’m gonna fix this painting. And she’s I fix. And then, She, that painting of Jesus and

[00:11:54] Elizabeth: oh

[00:11:54] Tanya: that was Kate in her bed and she was like, I don’t, I like my hair or whatever.

[00:11:59] I’m going to fix this. And she got to fix them

[00:12:02] Was Ambien involved? Because, I know people have blamed shit on Ambien before,

[00:12:07] maybe she with no painkillers from her surgery. I don’t know.

[00:12:10] Elizabeth: Girl was high

[00:12:12] Tanya: she,

[00:12:13] maybe that was how she got going on the thing.

[00:12:16] Rachel Moore: I call bullshit, because we know that these people have their own press corps. That they’ve got their own people who craft the narrative, who, work on this shit, who talk to journalists, who talk to the daily, rag, whatever’s going on in Britain, which are terrible, and the tabloids and stuff.

[00:12:33] They have a relationship. They are doing all that stuff. I cannot believe that picture didn’t go through that press corps, where

[00:12:43] I’m like,

[00:12:44] Elizabeth: see the light of day? I will never understand and now keep in mind I

[00:12:48] Tanya: But then, Because Kate did the work on it, she fixed, she dotted it up. And then maybe she demanded that they put that particular photo up and they are employees and not friends. And so maybe they said, Princess, this is not a good look. We shouldn’t be doing

[00:13:09] Rachel Moore: Was this like a CEO saying, hey, go put this out on social media, and the person’s

[00:13:14] Elizabeth: And everybody in marketing is no.

[00:13:19] Tanya: by H Sharp in the U. S. for everyone to see it.

[00:13:25] Elizabeth: then it got even better. So then after that, they posted this picture that was supposed to be a picture of them in a car together and Will was supposed to be heading off to some sort of like Official event and Kate was supposed to be going to a personal appointment, heavy quotes.

[00:13:43] Even if you’re trying to convince an entire globe that they are like just fine marital wise. The two people in the picture that you see could not be any further apart.

[00:13:58] They are trying to escape the car that they’re in because they do not want to be any closer to themselves. So in the foreground Will and he’s like on the phone, whatever. Then you supposedly see Kate and she’s turned 180 degrees to, or 90 degrees, whatever, to the other side of the car.

[00:14:22] And first of all, her profile does not look like her profile at all. Like she’s got like more of a chin than she normally does. And I’ve looked at everything and I don’t like to be a conspiracy theorist, but that’s not her ear. That’s not her chin. Okay. I will tell you that. So she’s staring that they could look not any more interested in each other than at all possible.

[00:14:45] Like it’s wild. How badly, even if you’re trying to convince us that they’re like totally happy and everything’s fine. That was not the picture to do it. Even if that was Kate.

[00:14:54] Rachel Moore: hmm. Mm hmm.

[00:14:54] Elizabeth: I also don’t think that was Kate. So you could see the brick through the window, right?

[00:15:00] Of the wall, they were outside. And then you could see the brick outside of the car. And it was entirely different. I put on my tinfoil hat.

[00:15:09] This is so ham fisted, right? For a group of people that have so much fucking money, and so many resources, are they trying to push us off? They’re trying to distract us from something else that’s happening because it’s so bad. Like these people have more money than fucking God and they can’t get a good, apparently a good photoshopper, which like Rachel, I’d put you on that and you’d be great and you’d fix it.

[00:15:41] Rachel Moore: That brick would look uniform, is all I’m saying.

[00:15:45] Elizabeth: Exactly. And you’re not on the roster of the royal family.

[00:15:50] Rachel Moore: You were just talking about AI earlier, I could use Canva right now and say, hey, make sure that brick up there matches that brick, and it would!

[00:15:57] Elizabeth: Exactly. So there’s something weird going on. And then our mutual friend, Samantha told me as I was on the car driving my daughter home. But she was explaining that apparently, which I had just learned, she was supposed to be at an event in June, which is this event that like celebrates the Something of the Colors. I forget what it’s called. And everybody’s at it, right? And a couple of months ago, they said, Kate wouldn’t be at it, which is like unheard of that she would

[00:16:29] Tanya: of her surgery?

[00:16:30] Elizabeth: but they didn’t say, and also it’s in June.

[00:16:34] So if you’re getting surgery in December, which is what we assumed late December, right? Why can’t you attend this? Event in June that is huge for your family, right?

[00:16:47] Tanya: Is this a What could she be having done that she doesn’t want anybody looking at her real closely for six months?

[00:16:54] Elizabeth: that’s what I can’t understand.

[00:16:55] Tanya: And it’s none of our business, really.

[00:16:57] However, you made it

[00:16:59] Elizabeth: like how we just now mentioned it’s none of

[00:17:01] Tanya: ain’t

[00:17:02] Elizabeth: It’s always been none of our business. I believe

[00:17:05] Tanya: business. However,

[00:17:07] Elizabeth: it is our business

[00:17:08] Tanya: Once

[00:17:08] Elizabeth: there’s a engaging with the public about this photo and photoshopping and all that kind of stuff, then

[00:17:13] Tanya: they, it’s our

[00:17:14] Rachel Moore: open the door.

[00:17:15] Tanya: then, it was jokes. People make jokes about them every day, all day long.

[00:17:18] You will survive the BBL and the bangs jokes.

[00:17:21] Elizabeth: Yep.

[00:17:21] Tanya: This photoshopped picture with a response like, Oh, I did that. Now you’ve engaged the public and like every other thing you’ve, you know what I’m saying?

[00:17:33] Rachel Moore: Yeah.

[00:17:34] Elizabeth: The Spanish press actually said

[00:17:36] Tanya: kind of like

[00:17:36] Elizabeth: she was in a coma, intubated, and for a while there, it was like touch and go. From everything I’ve seen from the very beginning of their relationship, even when I remember them starting to date, because I’m old enough to remember that, she was desperate to be princess. She was desperate to be queen. I do not think she would just randomly leave regardless of what was happening. Because if you watch the beginning of their relationship, he was fully uninterested and she kept coming back.

[00:18:07] And coming back and I’m honestly not judging her because do what you gotta do, girl. That’s fine.

[00:18:13] Rachel Moore: If the crown is to be believed, the show her mom was like, super Ooh, maybe, don’t shut that door. There you

[00:18:20] Tanya: climber, but I guess I’m just like, why? And maybe this is because I’m not and I said my sister in law was British, but she’s English.

[00:18:28] I don’t live there. And so as a result, I guess I don’t see like, why would I want to live underneath all that scrutiny every day? Yes, it’s a lot of money and you get to wear crowns and pretty clothes, but you got to deal with this bullshit.

[00:18:44] It ain’t worth it to me,

[00:18:45] Rachel Moore: was listening to NPR, I think today, just again on the way home. So I wasn’t listening to Sam who’s, Elizabeth’s NPR, which as She

[00:18:52] Elizabeth: doesn’t call you and tell you all

[00:18:54] Rachel Moore: No, I talked to you, I have you. But king Charles has cancer. Which it does beg the question, would this be such a big deal? If that wasn’t also in the backdrop,

[00:19:04] Elizabeth: I agree.

[00:19:04] Rachel Moore: But they were talking about how William and Kate, really do try to run their own narrative. And that King Charles has really tried to say, he’s trying to put up more of a front of the Royals of saying, we’re not just here to dress up pretty and do all this pomp and circumstance.

[00:19:20] He’s actually trying to make them look like there’s a utility to them. They did mention that polling in Great Britain is still heavily, it’s in favor of the Royals.

[00:19:28] They like the institution. They want it. I’ve talked to, again, anecdotally talked to a few English folks who, have lived there, born and raised there. The Royals are their thing. Whether or not they don’t really figure in politics so much, they are ceremonial, but that’s what they want.


[00:19:44] Tanya: What is it that they like about it? I will ask

[00:19:47] Rachel Moore: why don’t you ask your friend. I,

[00:19:49] Tanya: talked about any of that. We should.

[00:19:51] Rachel Moore: I know, just say, maybe ask your friend, say, okay, let’s imagine you were like, marrying age, when William was single, would you have been like, oh, please, I want to be your princess, would a

[00:20:01] Tanya: But she was, now that I think about it.

[00:20:04] She was here and she married my brother, and she didn’t get to go back to the

[00:20:11] Rachel Moore: They ask her say it was because I had no shot with William and I came to your brother who wound up being awesome and better

[00:20:16] Tanya: They locked her down and trapped her here in the States.

[00:20:21] Rachel Moore: So yeah, We’ll have to keep following it.

[00:20:22] Tanya: Apparently not good marketing for Kensington Palace.

[00:20:25] Rachel Moore: Though

[00:20:26] Elizabeth: That gets

[00:20:27] Tanya: We are talking about it. it, And it’s all, you know,

[00:20:30] Elizabeth: but are we talking about the way they want us to talk about it now?

[00:20:34] Rachel Moore: I speculated this and anyone who’s English and is super into the royals, you can hate me all you want for speculating this. Feel free. I will take it. I speculated that this is on purpose because the more people are chattering about the royals, they stay relevant. Even if people are like, Oh, I’m sick of them.

[00:20:55] But you’re not though. It’s the Howard Stern effect. Where it’s I can’t stand you, but I’m gonna tune in every goddamn day. Because,

[00:21:03] Elizabeth: Yep. Hate watching. I

[00:21:05] Tanya: got to hate watch ya.

[00:21:06] Elizabeth: bunch of things. That is very true. They did their job. I think the Royals are starting to understand that like they’re on their last legs with the public and they’re trying to take it as far as they possibly can. I wish the Best for Kate. I don’t want her to, actually be in a mental

[00:21:25] Rachel Moore: Yeah, no, we don’t

[00:21:26] want that,

[00:21:27] Tanya: Trauma or anything like that.

[00:21:28] Rachel Moore: it’d be easy in that situation, for

[00:21:30] Elizabeth: But I think they are using this, especially with, like you guys said Charles’s cancer diagnosis I don’t know who I feel like there are just hands like to be like, look over here. No, look over here. No, look over here. So I guess we’ll only find out

[00:21:45] Tanya: But were people really that

[00:21:47] worried about Charles? I mean, were they really going to be the fall of the monarchy, because Charles

[00:21:52] Elizabeth: when that’s your only lifeline. I think it feels more serious than it would to us. So if you hear he literally just became King. And now he has, what is it? Prostate cancer? You’re like, what are we going to do?

[00:22:10] Willy Wonka AI Experience

[00:22:10] Rachel Moore: As much as our, any listeners across the pond really would rather we bring our attention back across to our side, we’re not going there yet.

[00:22:18] The Willy Wonka Experience Gone Wrong

[00:22:18] Rachel Moore: We’re going to go north of London, actually. We’re going to go up to Glasgow. We are going to talk about, which we’ve had on the docket for a while.

[00:22:27] But it is still relevant. And I’ll tell you why, because apparently up for auction are the backdrops and pieces that were put into play for a singular Willy Wonka experience. Now, if you have lived under a rock and have not heard of the Willy Wonka experience, and it hasn’t been in your zeitgeist for the last, what, four to six weeks, we don’t know what’s happening.

[00:22:49] Let us talk about it because, this ties into AI generated images. I will take this one if it’s okay. Those of you may or may not have seen the latest Willy Wonka movie and there have been several. So obviously we’ve got the one with Gene Wilder way back in the day in the 1900s.

[00:23:05] For those of you who are too young to remember, but Gene Wilder played Willy Wonka and it was called Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. You’re not seeing this, but Tanya Sway come with me and you’ll be in a world of pure

[00:23:18] Elizabeth: Pure You’re a imagination. That

[00:23:20] Rachel Moore: love it. Very dreamlike and stuff, yet a little bit creepy, and let’s be clear the story is based off a book by Roald Dahl, who hates children, by the way, so if you read the book, the book is not nice to kids. It’s about awful kids and the fact that he hates them. Except for one. Then there was another movie that came out a little bit more recently with Johnny Depp playing Willy Wonka.

[00:23:40] And it’s

[00:23:40] Tanya: forgot all about that particular Willy Wonka. I never saw it, so it didn’t matter.

[00:23:45] Rachel Moore: directed by Tim Burton. And it’s Charlie and

[00:23:47] Elizabeth: I love Tim Burton. And the fact that I hated that one tells you something.

[00:23:52] Rachel Moore: and that one, to me, felt a little more true to probably the book because Willy Wonka does not like kids in that book. He’s just anti child and that, and it’s super weird. But then, there’s been a latest installment, and that has Timothee Chalamet, cutie patootie who’s also the lead actor in Dune and other things.

[00:24:09] But we

[00:24:10] Tanya: didn’t need three of these movies. I feel like the first installment was. We could have put the period on it right then, but

[00:24:16] Rachel Moore: It was great. Timothee did a pretty good job in my opinion. I personally thought the movie was delightful and whimsical and all those things, but nobody has to share that opinion.

[00:24:22] Tanya: I’ll go watch it.

[00:24:23] Rachel Moore: So Willy Wonka was in The Zeitgeist. In Glasgow and Glasgow, I believe it’s Glasgow. Hopefully I’m saying that correctly. You know what?

[00:24:32] Elizabeth: Glasgow

[00:24:34] Rachel Moore: pronunciation.

[00:24:36] Tanya: These devices

[00:24:37] that connects us to this tool.

[00:24:40] Elizabeth: She’s the people of Scotland will come in

[00:24:43] Rachel Moore: I don’t want them

[00:24:43] Elizabeth: tar and

[00:24:44] Rachel Moore: those are my people, Scotland. You are my people because my heritage is from Scotland.

[00:24:48] So Glasgow. An event was put together. That would be the Willy Wonka experience in Glasgow. And when they marketed this event to sell tickets and you can google this, the pictures look fantastical. They are pure color. You’re, oh my gosh, I’m going to walk down a pathway that’s lined with lollipops and it’s vivid colors just fantastical, beautiful idyllic landscapes.

[00:25:13] It’s gorgeous. You’re like, oh my God, I can’t wait to go, and so you buy these, so these families bought these tickets.

[00:25:19] Elizabeth: they

[00:25:19] were like 30 pounds.

[00:25:21] Rachel Moore: they were not cheap. Yes, because conversion rate over here. That’s what 70 80 bucks for us So it’s not cheap. So these families bought these tickets and when they arrived to the event instead of seeing what they saw in the marketing images, they pretty much entered what looked like a warehouse with big skylight glass all across the ceiling There were two backdrops pinned up against the complete concrete wall.

[00:25:45] So gray slab concrete all on the wall, but they have two little backdrops just posted up there like someone just tacked them up last minute.

[00:25:52] Tanya: So this was really in the scam factor.

[00:25:53] Rachel Moore: Green turf. There was one area maybe that had some vision and they had some like big tall human sized lollipops and candy canes and what have you.

[00:26:02] But most of it was those black curtain room partitions. Y’all know what I’m talking about. It’s got like the gray poles you hang black drapes from them and that’s how you make like walls or separators and they created kind of a maze that’s when it started turning into a nightmare because this was a Willy Wonka themed experience, but they had generated the marketing images purely from AI.

[00:26:26] And then I guess what happened was they also had a script. So they had hired actors and they had used AI to generate the script. Create a script for an experience of Willy Wonka’s world of imagination. So AI, in its infinite wisdom, decided to create a brand new character that was about some kind of creature that creeps out of the walls and tries to steal your candy.

[00:26:50] So they had a character. That had this kind of metallic glassy looking mask, just so you can’t see the person except their eyes through it, and a big black robe, like a Dementor. And it pops out at you from behind a mirror!

[00:27:04] Elizabeth: The

[00:27:04] unknown.

[00:27:06] Rachel Moore: Right, so they had children crying.

[00:27:08] There’s a lady dressed like an Oompa Loompa at a table who looks like someone just killed a family member. And she’s got a green wig on, she’s not orange, and all the actors came out later and they’re like, We didn’t know what the fuck was going on.

[00:27:22] Elizabeth: they, and FYI, they still have not been paid.

[00:27:25] Rachel Moore: Oh my god, I did not know that. Maybe the auction

[00:27:27] Elizabeth: I’ve not been paying.

[00:27:29] Rachel Moore: Ugh.

[00:27:30] Tanya: scammers. Okay.

[00:27:31] Rachel Moore: But the guy who played Willy Wonka, he’s the actor who’d said, I’ll do this, they gave him a script the night before, and he’s reading and he’s trying to make sense of this because, I’m an actor.

[00:27:40] I want to go earn some money. And he said that him and all the other actors are like, what are we doing here? the families were so upset that they called the police to come because they’re like, there is fraud happening here. And the police arrived. They’re like, what’s happening? Fraud perpetrated on the public, but it all boils back to how this event was marketed versus how the reality played out. So do with that as you will go for it. What are, because the dangers of AI is

[00:28:12] Tanya: expecting to get what they were sold. Or,

[00:28:15] Like the dream. You sold me this dream.

[00:28:18] Rachel Moore: It was a world of bad imagination, it was after you’ve been tortured and possibly, fed castor oil and all the bad things that happened. Oh, it’s, it was bad.

[00:28:26] Tanya: It’s a scam. They scammed them out of their money. That’s basically what

[00:28:29] Elizabeth: they scam them out of their money. But my question is this opens up a whole like conversation about AI, right?

[00:28:39] Is the responsibility for the marketers or is the responsibility for the consumers? And in this case, if you actually look back and see like what the images were that they were sold to sign up for this experience.

[00:28:58] They were clearly AI. First of all, most of them were misspelled and they were just like AI images that you’re like, this is not real.

[00:29:09] And now I’m not blaming the consumers of this giant shit show. Like I understand I would be so upset I’m not blaming you for being upset about it. But when you’re looking at how they promoted it, it was all AI images. They were not taking pictures of what it was actually going to look like. And my question is, yeah, as we start to grapple with AI, where does our responsibility end and the responsibility of the consumer begin? And I wanted to talk about that.

[00:29:47] I don’t want these kids to be sad believe me, that’s really horrible, but there were parents looking at these pictures and if you look at the pictures of, their promotions, I would be like, this is not telling me anything about this experience. This is not telling me what it will actually look like, but you had an inordinate number of parents who were like, oh this tells me that this is really exciting and really immersive.

[00:30:20] Rachel Moore: I wonder,

[00:30:21] Tanya: have not seen, I

[00:30:25] Rachel Moore:

[00:30:25] Tanya: haven’t seen any of the,

[00:30:27] Rachel Moore: Oh my God. You’re just like seeing

[00:30:28] Elizabeth: are you just looking now?

[00:30:30] Rachel Moore: Oh my God. I’m so here for your reactions,

[00:30:33] Tanya: No, oh my God, I can see why they were super upset, but also I get what you’re saying, Elizabeth, in that it’s, that is what they use to promote it does not look real.

[00:30:46] Rachel Moore: You know, and the only thing I’ll say too, I wonder if they were thinking, Hey, it’s immersive. Are they going to go put them in VR or

[00:30:54] Tanya: like

[00:30:54] Rachel Moore: going to come in

[00:30:55] and experience this. So I will also point out. Apparently, Willy Wonka’s Chocolate Factory experience, there was no chocolate.

[00:31:03] Elizabeth: was no chocolate. They gave them jelly beans and like lemonade.

[00:31:08] Tanya: be. They could have given

[00:31:10] them.

[00:31:10] Elizabeth: literally didn’t walk away from this experience with chocolate.

[00:31:15] Rachel Moore: I would’ve cried at the no chocolate and been like, Oh, hell no.

[00:31:18] Elizabeth: Um, I will fully admit, and this is where everybody ends up hating me. I do not like chocolate. But if I’m going to a chocolate experience, I better get fucking chocolate.

[00:31:26] Rachel Moore: That’s his whole River O’Chocolate.

[00:31:28] Elizabeth: Apparently the kids got like a few jelly beans and some like Lemonade, and I follow this guy who was talking about, who lives in England, and he’s British lemonade isn’t good.

[00:31:41] Our lemonade isn’t good, but chocolate, oh, god forbid hand them a fucking sized Snickers bar, Twix bar, whatever. No. They handed them jelly beans.

[00:31:55] Tanya: Okay, even if they’re not going to give them chocolate, they could have given them the one candy that I have mentioned 45 times now, Everlasting Gobstopper

[00:32:03] Elizabeth: The other

[00:32:03] Tanya: Gobstopper

[00:32:05] Elizabeth: disappointing. I remember as a kid, wanting it to look like the actual gobstopper in the movie and it didn’t. I remember being so mad

[00:32:12] Rachel Moore: or at least get some Toblerone in there man. I’ll take some Toblerone but I

[00:32:19] Elizabeth: M& M. If you’re talking to me about chocolate, it should be M& M over a jelly bean.

[00:32:23] Rachel Moore: or lollipops at minimum. I’m like you’ve got life so

[00:32:26] Tanya: Wait, there’s a whole site that’s wonka. com with all sorts of candy on it that people could have,

[00:32:32] Rachel Moore: they could have gotten it.

[00:32:34] Tanya: they’re gummies. It’s the hack.

[00:32:35] Rachel Moore: So Elizabeth, I know you talking about being more educated purchasing audience, right? Here’s the warning for marketers. One, if you’re going to develop an event or a content that’s based off well known material, like Willy Wonka, you better make damn sure that, the material and that you’re marketing and experiencing, because there was that expectation.

[00:32:58] Had this been a completely fabricated experience, just make up whatever name you want about some experience is going to be great for kids and have a lot of candy or something. Everybody’s going into that cold, right?

[00:33:07] They’re like, okay, I’ve only got what you are giving me, but if you’re saying it’s going to be Willy Wonka. There was just a movie with Timothee Chalamet flying in the air with chocolate and raining down on people. I’m going to have a preconception. Also, if you’re marketing, you’re creating these materials, you’re making something brand new, make for damn sure that the user experience mirrors what you’re giving them in the marketing.

[00:33:30] And that’s a complete bait and switch to say, Hey, we just threw these together. And then here, we’ve used some scotch tape to put together this event for you with some turf we got from Home Depot. Everybody in marketing has been seeing these and be like, wow, there you fucking go.

[00:33:45] When you get people who don’t know what they’re doing and event professionals that I’m friends with too, are just look, it proves that AI is not going to be taking over events or experiences like that. And it certainly shouldn’t fuck’s sake, if any of you listening to this, our marketers, you’re like, I’m just letting AI run everything for me.

[00:34:05] Quit.

[00:34:05] Elizabeth: Yep.

[00:34:06] Tanya: Here’s your example for why that’s a terrible idea.

[00:34:09] Rachel Moore: Exactly.

[00:34:10] Tanya: sold them a bag of beans, magic beans, and

[00:34:12] Rachel Moore: Bag of beans. Heh.

[00:34:14] Tanya: yeah, I laughed, but yes, I get why these parents were upset. The images look fantastical. That is a great word to use, fantastical.

[00:34:24] Elizabeth: Because they’re AI.

[00:34:27] Tanya: But what they got was some thrown together something that like my purple rain costume last week, with some glue and,

[00:34:34] um,

[00:34:35] Rachel Moore: Oh, so good.

[00:34:36] Tanya: spit or whatever. And it wasn’t even something that was polished enough for them to be like, okay obviously it wasn’t going to be this thing, but this thing that we did get was, it was still cool. They didn’t even get that.

[00:34:47] Elizabeth: That’s what I don’t understand it would be so easy not to do this I don’t know, I’m never gonna be

[00:34:53] Tanya: No, there’s never going to be a shortage of people that are ready to separate others from their money


[00:34:59] Rachel Moore: Well and people who will invest in that again, because God, look at Fyre Festival. What’s his face is still in action.

[00:35:05] Elizabeth: Yeah, he’s doing Fyre Fest 2 or whatever.

[00:35:08] Rachel Moore: So, everyone said this was the Fyre Festival of Willy Wonka experience.

[00:35:12] zFlying in the Face of Safety and Common Cents

[00:35:12] Rachel Moore: Alright. co hosts of mine.

[00:35:15] Let’s leave the UK. And we’re gonna fly. Back to the United States. As we go get on the airplane, we notice that is a Boeing 737 and

[00:35:26] Elizabeth: Shoo! That’s us being sucked out of the plane.

[00:35:29] Rachel Moore: that’s right. Elizabeth, I’ll toss this over to you because I believe Boeing’s having a bit of a moment and maybe Delta.

[00:35:36] Elizabeth: Alright, so Delta blows my mind. In the wake of us talking about Boeing, and how people are literally being like, potentially sucked out of planes? Which like, you should be real careful about what you’re doing right now. Delta has decided that they are charging more for the first and second checked bags of the people who are flying Delta.

[00:36:03] And in my head, I just don’t understand that. Like, when we’re arguing about whether or not people will even make it to their destination, we are suddenly being like, let’s charge you more.

[00:36:16] Tanya: ask

[00:36:16] Elizabeth: your checked bags.

[00:36:18] Tanya: I tend to fly Southwest just because the organizing of how we get on the plane works for me. I know for a lot of people, the cattle call doesn’t work. It works for me. I get there, I pick a seat, I sit in it and I’m all good.

[00:36:32] So why is Southwest able to do this in the other airlines are having to raise fees? Cause our Southwest, Ticket prices that much lower.

[00:36:43] They don’t have the number of international flights that like Delta and set, but they are also partnering with international airlines too.

[00:36:51] I just, I don’t understand. And I also try not to ever check a bag ever if I can help it because the waiting at the end for the bag.

[00:36:59] Rachel Moore: I don’t like losing my luggage, which has

[00:37:01] Tanya: yeah.

[00:37:01] I hate that part, the waiting for the

[00:37:04] bag to come off the carousel.

[00:37:05] Rachel Moore: Which is also just a security fiasco, because it’s take whatever one you want.

[00:37:09] Elizabeth: So I’m going to tell you that I’m horrible because I, have a lot of like skincare, haircare, makeup vibes that I want to make sure that I have checked because they do not, follow the three ounce rule, but especially because every time you’re carrying on the bag, and you get up to the gate and they have you check the bag at the gate.

[00:37:36] Right? That happened to me the other day, I was with my mom, I had to check the bag, and It’s really frustrating because it’s like It’s so expensive to begin with right? And I feel like I shouldn’t have to deal with this because i’m like God forbid. I have like my conditioner My face serum my face moisturizer

[00:38:03] Tanya: just fold it into the ticket price because all that happens is everybody’s like the hell with this, i’m not doing it. They’re putting every you know wearing 75 layers of clothes and all this stuff to try to get around the rules just to do what happened to you the other day, eventually, like four or five people can make it.

[00:38:22] And then it’s we got to stop the rest of these 20 because you can’t bring all those bags on here. And they gate check them, put it in a ticket price. We’re already mad about the ticket price, but people are determined to fly hither and yon, tack it onto the ticket price. Because, Again, I fly southwest because I like the cattle call thing. But it doesn’t hurt that when I do need to check a bag, it’s free.

[00:38:48] Rachel Moore: Do you make sure you’re in the A group

[00:38:50] Tanya: Always. You’ll know that I will

[00:38:52] Rachel Moore: You are almost guaranteed to get your carry on up there.

[00:38:55] Elizabeth: Yeah. You’re first.

[00:38:56] Tanya: I am that person that sets an alarm so that I can be up and my fingers hoovering over the button because I paid for the whatever to do automatically and it didn’t put me in the right group. So I was like, never again, it didn’t seem worth it since I wasn’t as close up as it is when I just do it. So I will set the clock for whatever, cause I didn’t take the first flight and press the button so that I can check in. So yes, I’m generally in that first A group so that I can get my bag on.

[00:39:26] Elizabeth: but

[00:39:27] Rachel Moore: You game the system, that system was Southwest. But anyway, I know

[00:39:31] Tanya: I can’t do that with Delta. You’re right. I can’t do it with United or some of the other airlines, but I also think they should just if they are determined for people to pay for their bags being checked. It should be when you pay for your plane ticket this is the way I think it should work, but obviously greater minds than me decided differently.

[00:39:53] yeah. Greater minds like Delta Pay for your pay. It just folded into the price of the plane ticket and the way it used to be before they decided to separate it out or to make this an extra fee or whatever.

[00:40:05] Elizabeth: Yeah.

[00:40:05] Tanya: Put the bags under the damn plane or whatever, but everybody’s trying to work the system and then now we’re going to raise that fee. Just go ahead and raise the ticket. We already know that we are being stuck for our paper when we show up.

[00:40:19] Rachel Moore: Don’t raise it. If these planes are falling out of the sky, is that where we’re going with this? Cause

[00:40:23] Tanya: If me and my luggage will be sucked out of the plane, I probably would like to pay less for that experience.

[00:40:33] Elizabeth: I talk about the fact that like with Air Portugal, I had an issue where, so we had, we were going onto our first flight and there was nobody at the check in counter, right? Nobody. And I had to throw away like probably a hundred dollars worth of product to get within the three ounce recommendation and then we go on the flight, that’s fine.

[00:40:59] We get to our layover and they decide that they were going to charge my husband 160 for his carry on. And I try to say, we had a free carry on, but nobody was at your counter. And they were like, we don’t give a shit. So when I think about what we were charged, to get our flight back to, New York or whatever.

[00:41:26] It was probably like 200 between the actual luggage check over fee, and then how much I had thrown out in product, it was like 200. And so I will die mad at Air Portugal. And then I even tweeted them and was like, what the fuck guys, do you want to fix this? And they were like, no, you’re

[00:41:48] fine.

[00:41:49] It was the weirdest situation I’ve ever experienced.

[00:41:52] Rachel Moore: Inherently it’s

[00:41:53] Elizabeth: Yeah. You’re K and I made it. It’s fine.

[00:41:55] Rachel Moore: Didn’t just come out of nowhere, you were already on a plane where it was fine.

[00:42:00] Tanya: Listen, let me ask this question though. When you,

[00:42:02] Layover, was the layover in the U. S. or

[00:42:05] Elizabeth: No. And a mutual friend of ours has said that Was it a lot of like people to the U. S. who were being targeted for this? And I was like yeah, we

[00:42:16] Tanya: and I don’t know that they were like, that may be, but my guess is because everything is so super crazy strict.

[00:42:24] Elizabeth: Yeah. No, it was a very weird situation where I think they were like targeting particular people. It was like an odd thing where they were like corralling people in different areas but and then I try to tell them I had a free checked bag and you fuckers weren’t there when I try to check my bag.

[00:42:43] Rachel Moore: That goes to your point that they have an extraordinary amount of power over consumers where you’re talking about you’ve got Boeing planes that are jeopardizing people’s lives to the point where they’re like, I will not get on that plane. Because of, Boeing now is in trouble, which by the way that whistleblower for Boeing was found dead as if by a suicide by gunshot, which is super fishy. Cause he was in the middle of testifying in a case that he’s brought against Boeing because he blew the whistle on them.

[00:43:13] So super sketch. But yeah, it just feels there’s no consumer power there. And it does make me jealous not to go talk again about, Europe and being across the pond. I would love to take the train anywhere I need to go versus flying. But we can’t cause you know, United States gigantic.

[00:43:29] And also we want to try to go somewhere that’s remotely cooler than the United States, which would be literally anywhere else sometimes. It does feel like in Delta, just being like, we don’t fucking care. Air Portugal was like, we don’t care. We’re going to charge you for those extra bags.

[00:43:40] We don’t care that there’s shit going on with Boeing planes. They don’t care about public perception. It’s wild to me.

[00:43:47] Elizabeth: No,

[00:43:47] Tanya: think they do care, but I think they’ve decided that.

[00:43:51] Rachel Moore: people are going to pay,

[00:43:52] Tanya: Like we care, but y’all might have to be mad. Because ultimately.

[00:43:56] Rachel Moore: mad, go cry.

[00:43:57] Tanya: Fuel costs this and, union costs that and blah, blah, and I don’t want to be an apologist for the airlines or whatever. I’m just saying, I don’t know what their profit margin looks

[00:44:08] like.

[00:44:08] Rachel Moore: As of December, 2023 Delta’s quarterly financials, their revenue was 14. 22 billion, which was 5. 87 more

[00:44:17] Tanya: then what they have before.

[00:44:18] Rachel Moore: prior, yeah, I’m just saying billion seems like a big number.

[00:44:22] Tanya: I can get off your pooch Trish myself.

[00:44:26] Rachel Moore: get off your poach. That brings us we’re just talking about consumers. Generally, our consumers turned off or not.

[00:44:32] Maybe we are sometimes that we still pay. Let us

[00:44:35] Tanya: It’s circling back because we were talking about Delta and you saying if they care about their, their, how they’re perceived, didn’t they give Reesa Teesa a ticket to London? Didn’t they say, we’ll fly her to London. So They care,

[00:44:46] Rachel Moore: person.

[00:44:48] Elizabeth: Yeah.

[00:44:50] Tanya: She and her luggage hopefully will arrive there safely.

[00:44:54] Printers Need You to Pay to Play

[00:44:54] Rachel Moore: So I actually, in my zeitgeist, I follow a TikTok account where a girl plays two roles, one is her and she’s just a normal person and she’s talking to her other self which is the printer she’s trying to print to and I adore this account because all of us feel this pain. So basically she’s what do you mean you can’t print? I just sent a print job and you have plenty of toner. No, I’m low on black. And then it goes back. She’s no, I just bought you new toner. And then she’s I’m on the same wifi network. Why aren’t you printing? Like you don’t have the right. And it’s and then she’s I need you to print this there. It says there’s a misfeed. Yeah, I’m totally jammed up in here. Let’s talk about we talked about subscriptions and that kind of pricing model. And is it fucked up or not? Is this the way of the future? And should it be? Like, is everyone, I love, Elizabeth, I’ll let you say, your line in here is great in the notes about if companies have lost the plot. Carry on with that.

[00:45:53] Elizabeth: Have companies lost the plot when it comes to subscription services? Like we at the beginning of the whole subscription services thing, we thought maybe this is the way to go. And when it comes to HP printers, that the fact that they’re using subscription services is really interesting.

[00:46:20] Are they starting to turn off consumers when we have to have a subscription? So we talk about people all the time where they’re like, I’m so sick when it comes to Netflix or Hulu or whatever, being on a subscription service. And now HP printers are doing the exact same thing.

[00:46:42] I can determine the number of pages I can print each month, but is that something you want to be doing? I can’t use my printer all that often. It breaks down. I’m having a hard connection problem.

[00:46:59] Tanya: Explain it to me, please.

[00:47:00] Elizabeth: All right. So they’re deciding that you can buy a monthly subscription to your printer.

[00:47:10] Tanya: Nah, nah.

[00:47:12] Elizabeth: say okay. Every month I want to be able to print 30 pages, right?

[00:47:18] Tanya: And is this the only way you can use

[00:47:20] Elizabeth: Yes. For a lot of these

[00:47:22] Tanya: Oh no. Because in one month I, may never print. And then the next month, maybe I need to print 30 pages. I’ve already invested

[00:47:30] Elizabeth: I should just be able to print.

[00:47:31] Tanya: But then that brings us back to the cars. Remember there’s something going, I got an old lady car, no actually I have a cute car, but it’s not new. But isn’t there like subscription services with cars like for some service and cars remind me.

[00:47:45] Elizabeth: Yes.

[00:47:45] Rachel Moore: With the apps and stuff you can use in it. Whether it’s safety or security or tracking or whatever. A lot of that’s subscription based.

[00:47:53] Tanya: No.

[00:47:53] Rachel Moore: I don’t like this.

[00:47:54] Elizabeth: Yeah, I don’t like this either. And I will tell you, I have a printer in my house that has not worked for a good amount of time. So we can’t use it.

[00:48:02] So if I need to have something printed out, I send it to my in laws or I send it to a fucking Staples or whatever.

[00:48:09] But the fact that you can be like, okay, I can print X number of sheets every month. And every time I go past that number of sheets, I’m going to be charged a premium is crazy

[00:48:26] Rachel Moore: Let me pose this. I don’t have to print that often. Because digital. And I know that’s widespread, but there are still absolutely business reasons that people do need to print a hard document out. So I wonder if this is them saying, look, we know where we’re becoming the stone tablets, not so much.

[00:48:47] Is there a way we can get as much money as we can from entities that have to print still and is that the way they’re trying to say it? It feels like we were just talking about airlines, you try to fly a Frontier or what’s the one that nobody likes.

[00:49:05] Spirit, thank you. I love that you knew it right away. Good marketing, Spirit. But everything is a fee. Everything’s an add on. So I could buy a ticket on Spirit, but everything’s add ons. So we just said, I could buy a printer. I own the printer. Mine. But in order to actually use it effectively, I have to add on all this shit.

[00:49:28] Elizabeth: And doesn’t that remind you of the shit we saw with the add ons with Wendy’s surge pricing last week that we were talking about?

[00:49:36] Rachel Moore: It does remind me of

[00:49:37] that.

[00:49:37] Elizabeth: a very similar vibe. I’m going to pay more depending on when I need this product. And instead of being able to be like, I bought the printer. I can print at whatever point I want to.

[00:49:51] And paper will come out and it doesn’t matter. And I think we’re getting to the point. And I would like to talk about this more on our next episode where it’s like subscription pricing is very interesting. And I will personally tell you, I love subscriptions. I think they’re really interesting, but we’re getting to the point where subscriptions are becoming like, they’re dominating our lives.

[00:50:13] And they’re not benefiting us in any way.

[00:50:17] Tanya: My thinking with this HP thing is that people just won’t buy HP printers. You know what I’m saying? Like I have another brand of printer back here behind me. I can’t think of the name.

[00:50:25] Elizabeth: Is it brother?

[00:50:27] Tanya: No, Canon. I think I don’t know

[00:50:29] Elizabeth: Okay.

[00:50:30] Rachel Moore: too.

[00:50:30] Tanya: What it was during the pandemic. I needed to print something. I told my regular date I was like, I’m going to email you something. Like print it and bring me that. And what he did was he just showed up with a printer. So here you go, print, and that is how I, but I can also count on almost, how little I’ve used that printer. So a subscription service would not work. And I would not be buying a HP if I were in the market for one.

[00:50:57] Rachel Moore: It is super interesting. I have another subscription model that we buy into literally here. We subscribe to Alamo Draft House. My husband’s got a subscription to that. 19. 99 a

[00:51:08] Tanya: like, oh we can subscribe to that. We didn’t know girl

[00:51:10] Rachel Moore: Now that, yes. So he gets to see one movie a day with a person.

[00:51:17] Tanya: One movie

[00:51:17] Rachel Moore: and a person, you can go see up to one movie a day, all day, all month.

[00:51:22] And so we will go, yes, you can go every day if you want, and you pay 20 for the pass each month and you get it.

[00:51:32] Tanya: Even if you go one time you’ve spent the 20. I mean you’ve gotten

[00:51:36] Rachel Moore: That’s right. If you go even really two movies at max and then you’re paid for the month. So we go see a lot of movies.

[00:51:42] Now, to me, I’m getting a benefit from that. That to me is like saying if I was paying one out of my pocket every time, that’s way more money but this, you know what this reminds me of, how, like when you are learning and I’m still really bad with money, but you know how, like when you are taught you’re going to buy a car or you’re going to buy a house and you need to look at the entire mortgage.

[00:52:02] You need to look at the interest rate, but Oh, but it’s this monthly payment. That’s what this feels like. Like it’s saying, Hey, don’t pay no attention to that really large amount of money. You’re

[00:52:11] going to wind up spending with interest and everything only focus on what that little bit we’re asking you to pay per month.

[00:52:18] That’s affordable. And instead it’s really tapping into that short term. I’m going to ignore what the big ticket, the big picture cost to me is because I’m just looking at it from a month to month basis. Meanwhile, all of us could go look right now at all the streaming services and things we subscribed to and be like, Holy hell!

[00:52:36] I’m paying as much as I did with cable! And stuff like that. So that’s what it feels like. Meh. I don’t like it.

[00:52:42] Elizabeth: It’s so true.

[00:52:42] Rachel Moore: I subscribed to it.

[00:52:44] Tanya: You got me all over here looking for the Alamo Drafthouse

[00:52:47] Rachel Moore: Go get your pass. It’s was

[00:52:49] Elizabeth: One

[00:52:50] near me It makes me sad.

[00:52:52] Tanya: I went there to see Wakanda forever.

[00:52:55] Rachel Moore: Yeah, we like it. We have a big one, a big screen near us. We went and saw Dune on it and stuff. And that’s about a 40 minute drive, but it’s worth it.

[00:53:01] Elizabeth: When I was with my mom in Denver, we kept driving past one right by her house and I was like, I would have been there all the time. That’s so cool.

[00:53:10] Rachel Moore: Was it the Sloan’s Lake one or Littleton or, you don’t have to get too specific if you

[00:53:16] Elizabeth: lived off of Colfax, I think.

[00:53:19] Rachel Moore: Yeah, that’s the Sloan’s Lake

[00:53:20] Elizabeth: yeah.

[00:53:21] Rachel Moore: Nice. Yeah. we go to that one a lot.

[00:53:23] Elizabeth: My sister and I kept seeing it and I was like, Oh, I’d be so excited because the only other time I’ve been to one of their events was when I went to Austin, Texas for the Gilmore Girls ATX reunion, and I went to the bunheads thing and it was awesome.

[00:53:41] And then you have all the cool alcoholic shit and stuff. It was awesome.

[00:53:46] Rachel Moore: and they do like custom menu. I shout out Alamo all the

[00:53:48] Elizabeth: I was there very early. So it was like, I didn’t get to understand it as cool as I could when I was old. But cause it was very early in the day.

[00:53:57] So I wasn’t going to have a bunch of like alcoholic shakes

[00:54:00] which you could have had a

[00:54:01] mimosa,

[00:54:02] Rachel Moore: yeah, no, one other shout out to Alamo before I do want to get to something that I think that Tanya and I got by you, Elizabeth. But Alamo does, by the way, they do customized pre show. Not the stupid shit at Regal and stuff where it’s like, Oh my God, super loud advertising and stuff.

[00:54:17] So like for Kung Fu Panda my husband and kid just went to see that. They do a bunch of YouTube videos that people have made about pandas and things like that, or

[00:54:23] it’s

[00:54:24] just all, it’s all funny and cute, but it always relates to what you’re going to see in the movie.

[00:54:28] Loving that Lavender Latte

[00:54:28] Rachel Moore: I hear tell that Elizabeth, you have a favorite kind that I think you like to get. I actually, Tanya and I think fell sway. Fell under your

[00:54:37] Tanya: forgot we were taping today and I was like, I’m going to get me another one today. It’s too

[00:54:42] Late now.

[00:54:43] Elizabeth: Think I may have mentioned in our last podcast, whatever, but I was with my mom in Colorado at the hospital that she was in that had a full scale Starbucks, which was the dream. And they had the lavender latte and they had little samples of it. It was delicious. Now, my sister will tell you, we’d been saying for the last couple of years, why isn’t Starbucks doing like a lavender latte? That’s very weird because it’s like a very popular thing.

[00:55:16] And then we thought it was exciting that when we got there, they were finally doing the lavender latte.

[00:55:22] Tanya: I realized

[00:55:22] Elizabeth: So highly recommend it.

[00:55:25] Tanya: Yesterday, I got the frap because I had seen it in the thing before but it said oat milk and y’all know I don’t do oat milk. So I scrolled down to my old Faithfuls, which, I tend to do the lemonade kind of drinks or my matchas or maybe a foggy,

[00:55:40] Rachel Moore: So

[00:55:41] Tanya: that lavender frap was delicious.

[00:55:44] Rachel Moore: And I got last outta this group because today I was coworking with someone and I was at a coffee shop nearby that nobody knows about apparently. And they have all the tables with all the power outlets and I don’t want anyone to know about it because they can if they go look at my TikTok, but I went up and they said their drink of the month was a lavender matcha latte.

[00:56:02] Tanya: Oh,

[00:56:03] Elizabeth: That’s what Starbucks was offering. And immediately I thought of Tanya because Cause you know, I have hibiscus powder in here. I have matcha powder in here.

[00:56:11] Tanya: so let me figure out how to get some lavender powder in here.

[00:56:15] Rachel Moore: And I do oat milk, that’s mine. So I had it made with oat milk, sweet matcha, and then, oh! So those of you listening, you should, if you haven’t tried lavender latte of some kind, you should get got as well, because it

[00:56:27] Elizabeth: Get got.

[00:56:28] Rachel Moore: Get got!

[00:56:29] Elizabeth: All

[00:56:31] Tanya: and that’s it. I can’t do any of those nut milks.

[00:56:33] Rachel Moore: Oh, hey! Everybody’s got their milk. Their favorite

[00:56:35] Tanya: But here’s what I realized yesterday when I was getting the prep. And I was like no to that let’s get this other milk that I actually can and that’s just without

[00:56:48] Rachel Moore: It’s subscription based. Get your milk all the time. Alright we are at the end of the show. Let’s finish up with How can we find and follow you, Elizabeth, wherever you be on the social medias?

[00:57:00] Elizabeth: So follow me on ElizabethAllen1001 on LinkedIn. That’s where you can find me.

[00:57:06] Rachel Moore: And she’s a content marketer extraordinaire who is looking for her next magical journey step. And if you don’t have her, you should have her because obviously she’s quite smart and good at what she does. And she will not

[00:57:16] Elizabeth: have

[00:57:17] Tanya: Please don’t give her the AI pitch

[00:57:19] Rachel Moore: I was just gonna say, she will stop the bad things from happening. She will stop the photoshopped images from

[00:57:26] Elizabeth: I could help you if you work for the Royal Family. I’ve got you. I won’t let that happen.

[00:57:32] Rachel Moore: Oh my god, she’d be great. And then Tanya, please tell our listeners where they can find and follow you.

[00:57:37] Tanya: Tanya Ballard Brown. That’s T and a B and a B. So I am T double B everywhere, T D O U B L E B pretty much everywhere. So there you go.

[00:57:47] Rachel Moore: That’s right. And we’ll see if we have included your dog in this podcast possibly earlier. Where do we find Butterbean online? Cause,

[00:57:53] Tanya: Butterbean Ballard Brown all together, mashed together. She is on Insta and TikTok though.

[00:58:00] Elizabeth: For everybody, if you know this, she was very loud until we’ve exactly started this

[00:58:06] Rachel Moore: That’s right. probably heard her on last week’s episode. Last time’s episode.

[00:58:11] Elizabeth: wanted to make sure she was heard until

[00:58:14] Tanya: big sis, Isha, who

[00:58:16] is this name

[00:58:17] Rachel Moore: Isha is her mommy is going to come and get her tomorrow. Then maybe Butter Bean could do the ExxonMobil internship gag on TikTok.

[00:58:26] Tanya: think she

[00:58:26] might be too lazy. I’m watching her now and she’s laid

[00:58:30] Rachel Moore: And you can find me, Rachel has the mIC pretty much everywhere and I often do have a mic just like I do right now. Thanks everyone for listening.