Show Notes
The band’s back together! Elizabeth and Rachel talk about how some brands made pride a big bummer this year. Then Tanya finally joins us after an “emergency pedicure” to discuss Fashion Nova’s Good Marketing Question Mark. After an unpaid ad for Pretty Foots (which Elizabeth determined was the product Baby Foot after a concerning Google search), the ladies explain just how they got got this week. Join us next week at the same bat time, same bat channel to see what the marketing world has gotten up to since.
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[00:00:00] JTM S2 E05 – Cold Open
[00:00:02] Elizabeth Allen: So, it’s a combination of the guttural meows and the hissing and growling from her. So, very, very relaxing.
[00:00:11] JTM S2 E05 – Seg1
[00:00:13] Rachel Moore: Well, welcome to Just Trust Me, the marketing podcast that calls out always the winning and wiley ways of today’s marketing.
[00:00:20] I’m your host, Rachel Moore, and I’m always ever and always in cahoots with two fellow marketers. We are joined by one today. The other one, let’s just be honest. She’s getting a pedicure.
[00:00:30] Elizabeth Allen: An emergency pedicure quote unquote
[00:00:33] Rachel Moore: It was emergency. I hope they had like an urgent, like a triage unit to kind of like, make sure she could get in.
[00:00:40] Tanya, you’re going to listen to this. I hope and just be like, what? Um, but, uh, Elizabeth’s with me. This is my cohost, Elizabeth Allen. Hello, Elizabeth.
[00:00:48] Elizabeth Allen: I am back. Thank you.
[00:00:50] Rachel Moore: You are back from where, where are you back from? Tell us.
[00:00:53] Elizabeth Allen: Am back from Ireland and England. We had a lovely trip.
[00:00:58] Rachel Moore: Uh…., and I get to see your pictures and [00:01:00] stuff. Um, just so you all are aware, Elizabeth’s daughter took over her Facebook often and I had life every day from she, the captions were great cause she just made sure you knew who it was. But, uh, she documented the trip from her perspective with your social handle, which was great.
[00:01:18] Elizabeth Allen: She cracked me up because she would post things and she’d be like, do you think your friends know it’s me or you? And I was like, the 17, 000 emojis might’ve been the telling point that might have told them that it was you and not me posting. Especially the frog emojis, the like, you know, nail polish hands emojis, which is her favorite because she’s like fully into that.
[00:01:38] She used to say like slay and all those things. She used to say like. You know, ironically, and now she says it, she tells me I’m slayful all the time. And I’m like, remember when you were saying that and you thought you were being funny and ironic and now it’s fully in your vernacular.
[00:01:55] Rachel Moore: Mm
[00:01:56] Elizabeth Allen: I’m slayful, thank you.
[00:01:58] Rachel Moore: You are slayful, though. But [00:02:00] I just thought you looked like you had a blast. Um, uh, is Abbey Road the same after you visited?
[00:02:05] Elizabeth Allen: Abbey Road is awesome. It was very cool. My one drawback was the people we were with, I’m, I’m like, this is where I get into my dorkiness. People were trying to take the pictures the opposite way. Like if you care about the Beatles, why the fuck are you going from right to left in your pictures?
[00:02:25] I am disappointed in you. You have hurt the fandom in general. And like my husband had to keep like shh, shh, shhing me. Cause I was like, why are they walking that way? That’s not the way the album is. I was getting very violent.
[00:02:40] Rachel Moore: Why wouldn’t you replicate it exactly? You know what it looks, what it’s supposed to look like.
[00:02:44] Elizabeth Allen: You’re supposed to walk from left to right. And, uh, yeah, so, I have a little bit of a problem. But the cool thing is, outside of Abbey Road, outside of the studios themselves, they have like this cool fence, but it’s like concrete. And they encourage people writing on that fence. Whereas if you go [00:03:00] a little bit to the right or to the left they have signs up that say please just write on our area, instead of like writing on this. And they actually sell Sharpies in the store, the Abbey Road store.
[00:03:12] So you can sign it. And like the guy I bought, I bought one and he was like, do you want this in the bag? Or are you going to write on the wall? And I was like, I’m going to write on the wall. And which was really cool. So I signed it for my dad. So I wrote in this life, I love you more, which my dad would have loved.
[00:03:27] And I wrote his name. Um, which is very cool. And I just love that they encourage that. That was very cool. Um, and I’ll talk about it more in I Got Got, because the Beatles trip had me got got all over the place.
[00:03:42] Rachel Moore: Oh, I’m sure.
[00:03:43] Elizabeth Allen: So, we had a great time. I will tell you, Irish weddings are something different. Those people are built different. So the wedding I went to started at 2 p. m. right and we here consider that like an [00:04:00] afternoon wedding. What is it done at like 8 o’clock if that? I had to finally bow out of that wedding at 3 a. m.
[00:04:08] Rachel Moore: Oh my god.
[00:04:09] Elizabeth Allen: Uh and it gets worse A lot of the rest of the people who were there left at 5 a. m. And I actually came across a guy, a few guys left at 7 a. m. And I’m not talking like after parties, like you go to the reception and then you head out and you do whatever. No, no, they were at the reception the entire time and the bar was open the entire time.
[00:04:31] Rachel Moore: Oh my gosh!
[00:04:31] Elizabeth Allen: And this guy left at 7 a. m. I don’t know how they do it. I’m really
[00:04:38] Rachel Moore: I am too.
[00:04:39] Elizabeth Allen: At 3 a. m. I was like, guys, and I love to drink. Don’t get me wrong. But I was like, I’m, I’m done here, guys. I love you. And I, like, I have FOMO like nobody else, but I was also like, I can’t, I can’t do this anymore. And like the bride and groom left at 5 a. m. And a bunch their people did.
[00:04:55] And then that one guy who left at 7 a. m. And it is still the [00:05:00] reception. And anybody who’s been to a U. S. wedding knows like at the very latest, the reception goes to like 11, midnight, right?
[00:05:07] Rachel Moore: Yeah.
[00:05:08] Elizabeth Allen: And then if you want to continue it on somewhere, that’s your own thing. But like in Connecticut, our bars close at 2 a. m.
[00:05:15] Rachel Moore: Right.
[00:05:16] Elizabeth Allen: I left at 3 a. m. The bar was still like hopping. And I, I don’t, Irish people are built different, man.
[00:05:24] Rachel Moore: Wedding venues maybe too, because you, any wedding venue is going to cut you off. I mean. And who can afford that here anyway? I just wonder, there must, there must be something different.
[00:05:34] Elizabeth Allen: It was wild. I will say, thoroughly enjoyable. I remember at one point I’m sitting at the table and my friend, the friend whose wedding I was at, her niece’s boyfriend was singing like Irish tunes. And it was the most Irish thing that has ever happened to me. He was singing like these Irish songs in like that Irish cadence, you know, like I don’t know how to, I don’t know how to describe it.
[00:05:59] And I’m sitting [00:06:00] there and I’m like half drunk, but I actually wasn’t drunk because we’d pretty much been drinking from like 3 o’clock. And, like, it was the most Irish thing I’d ever experienced. And then she had her dad’s picture, who her dad had passed away, who I loved. He was like a second father to me.
[00:06:17] And, like, we’re singing to him. And it’s like these Irish songs that I’ve never heard before. But he’s got that, like, Irish cadence. You know what, it was an experience. It was crazy. But, for somebody who likes to drink, I, I can’t hang like that anymore. I can’t hang till 5 AM. 3 AM and I was out. I think Lorelai was out at like, probably midnight, maybe 11.
[00:06:42] Rachel Moore: Dang, that’s still late.
[00:06:43] Elizabeth Allen: But again, my FOMO, I always have FOMO, that’s what I think makes me a good marketer because I always have FOMO that I’m like, I have to stay up. This is the coolest thing I’ve ever experienced. But eventually at 3am, I’m like, guys, I am out. And I thought that was late and it was not late for [00:07:00] these people.
[00:07:00] Rachel Moore: Wow, I’m impressed. The stamina alone is pretty impressive.
[00:07:04] Elizabeth Allen: And apparently that’s normal for these weddings. And honestly, nevermind the fact, so they started at 2pm. If our weddings go to midnight, what do they start at five? Like, yeah, exactly.
[00:07:16] Rachel Moore: Cause you do like, you do the ceremony, then you’ve got to feed people. You’ve got to like, have people eat the dinner and now you can dance and stuff. But yeah, they’re like, okay, it’s midnight. Uh, this, this venue is kicking us out. Plus no one can afford another 6, 000 per hour or whatever. Get out.
[00:07:31] Elizabeth Allen: It was wild. It was, it was insane. And apparently that’s just normal. And you know what? I thoroughly enjoyed it, but I’m 43. Honestly, sadly, most of the people that I was talking to who were there until 5am, 7am are my age, but they’re built different.
[00:07:47] Rachel Moore: Part of me wants to go out on Facebook be like, okay, who do I know in Ireland? Who’s going to get married? Can I come?
[00:07:53] Uh, but then yeah. Oh, I, everything’s more fun over there. It’s fun. Especially right now. I’m very happy. You [00:08:00] had a great time and, uh, I know you needed it and I know it was good.
[00:08:04] And of course, now you’re home with a new addition to your fur baby family. Was it Reginald?
[00:08:09] Elizabeth Allen: Reginald VelJohnson
[00:08:11] Rachel Moore: Ah right. It’s a very pretentious name. I like it.
[00:08:13] Elizabeth Allen: It’s the guy who played Carl Winslow in Family Matters. That’s the actor’s name. He’s also in Die Hard.
[00:08:19] Rachel Moore: Oh, I love him! In Die Hard, the cop.
[00:08:21] Elizabeth Allen: Yep, and he also played Dash in Hart of Dixie, which people will make fun of this show, but this show, I love this fucking show, and it was filmed on the Stars Hollow set of Gilmore Girls. So it feels very Stars Hollow, but in the South, and I’ve rewatched that show so many times.
[00:08:37] It’s not a great show, but I love it so much. So, Reginald, I don’t know why I saw him immediately and was like, your name is Reginald VelJohnson, so we have Gretchen Wieners and Reginald VelJohnson.
[00:08:46] Rachel Moore: Sometimes you just know. I love it. Oh my gosh. Well, hail to the pets of the podcast. And we do have them on Instagram, which actually we need to add yours. Uh, we need to add Reginald to the Instagram, cause I don’t think he’s appeared there yet. Obviously you just got him. So [00:09:00] naturally.
[00:09:00] Well, let’s talk about some marketing-y thingies. We did just cross the threshold from pride month. So, um, you know, technically every month should be pride month, but the official pride month was in the month of June. Um, so I saw this and I’m going to see if we can cover a couple marketing-y thingies before we then get to our segment on good marketing.
[00:09:20] And then we’ll of course get to I Got Got or We Got Got, but it’s mostly you got got, cause I don’t think I got got this last week. I know you had some notes in here too. So definitely want to let you kind of guide. But pride 2024, we’re going to talk about Target reducing its pride section, um, after 2023. Less rainbow washing, which is good. But also Tractor Supply backtracking their DEI LGBTQIA+ support. Um, this makes sense to me now because I saw somebody earlier today post a picture of their Tractor Supply hat and they said something to the effect of like, I guess I need to stop wearing this and I didn’t know why, but now I have a feeling I’m about to.
[00:09:58] So, take us through what did [00:10:00] Tractor Supply decide to not do, I guess.
[00:10:03] Elizabeth Allen: This was one of those moments where I feel like there was whiplash with this brand, right? So I have a Tractor Supply store like half a mile down the road from me and I’ve never been because, and this is a me problem. I assumed they were catering to a type of demographic that was just not my people So like even my daughter was selling Scouts cookies or something outside of it. And she was like i’m not sure about this because she’s like a queer kid and she’s like I don’t know if I want to hang out at Tractory Supply.
[00:10:36] So then late last week, it suddenly came out that Tractor Supply was like super LGBTQIA+ friendly. They had this great DEI initiative. They were really invested in it. And then the backlash happened. So then suddenly you had the people who disagree with this. Once they found out about it, they didn’t know about it. They were spending their money there and were [00:11:00] totally fine with it.
[00:11:01] And sadly, Tractor Supply, the company was like, Oh, uh, nevermind. Uh, you know, we don’t want you to think that about us. And I think that’s what happened a lot with pride this year. Uh, we saw it happen with a lot of brands. And while I agree that rainbow washing isn’t great. I don’t appreciate it because you’re not really committed to the LGBTQIA+ community. It’s more about knowing who your customers are and just wanting to call to them. Um, for example, we noticed this year, after Target last year had a lot of pushback, there was one particular TikToker who started this whole pushback.
[00:11:46] Her husband was in the army or something and she was posting all these videos of the Target Pride section .
[00:11:54] Rachel Moore: Yeah. I remember.
[00:11:55] Elizabeth Allen: And how disgusting it was and how horrible it is and how you’re trying to push this on [00:12:00] children because God forbid there be a rainbow on a little boy’s t shirt. I don’t know.
[00:12:05] Rachel Moore: Yeah.
[00:12:05] Elizabeth Allen: And sadly, you watch this year, the Target Pride section was like, a quarter of what it was last year. And it was so obvious. And not only was it a quarter of what it was last year, but they put it at the back of the store. So I remember last year walking in and seeing our pride section and it was like right at the front and it was really cool. Like, hey, this is what we’ve got going on because this is like the current topical thing happening right now.
[00:12:34] This year it was pushed to the back of the store and it was again, like a quarter of the space, the footprint of what it was last year. And so seeing that seeing what I was so excited about tractor supply, you know, focusing on this community. You’re starting to watch these companies totally give in to bigots essentially.
[00:12:59] Rachel Moore: Loud, noisy [00:13:00] bigots.
[00:13:00] Elizabeth Allen: Exactly. And it’s so tough because you’re like, I don’t want the rainbow washing because it feels like it’s pandering. But also when we’re watching these companies give in to the bigots, um, I feel like pride this year had a very different feel when it came to brands. There were a lot fewer advertisements. There were a lot fewer campaigns. Again, Target, which is like one of the companies we look at for like, what’s going on with the Everyman was just such a small portion of their footprint in their store. And I don’t know, like, I, I do wonder, like, while we don’t want rainbow washing for rainbow washing sake, watching these companies, like, just backtrack their supposed beliefs is so hard to see. So pride this year [00:14:00] definitely didn’t feel like as much of a celebration as it has in previous years. And I don’t know, I’m grossed out by it. And as somebody who’s a suburban white woman, to watch Target be like we have to push it to the back of the store. So you really can’t see it. You have to look for it if you want to find it And then once you find it, it’s going to be such a small section of our product. And honestly, even when you looked at the products they were kind of like generically rainbow . A lot of it wasn’t pride merchandise. It was like I guess those could be considered the rainbow, even though they’re like, out of order, and like, the colors don’t make sense, and they’re not a part of the pride flag at all.
[00:14:39] Rachel Moore: Even the merest, like if it’s even close, how do we know another TikToker who decides they need to take issue with it and assert. And it’s wild that you’re saying this too. My brain is instantly going to the series, The Boys that I’m watching.
[00:14:52] Cause there’s what’s her frickin name in there, Firecracker or whatever. But she’s representing pretty much that whole subset is like, I will choose to be [00:15:00] offended. I’m going to go viral and call it out and make a big deal about something. And y’all, this is so dumb to me, the whole rainbow thing, because I’m like, I literally grew up in church, y’all the rainbow, what, what the hell?
[00:15:11] Come on. It’s seriously, like a symbol by God out of the Bible. And y’all are deciding, you’re like, no, if I see a rainbow, it’s gotta mean that you’re trying to groom my kid to be gay. And I’m like, no, um, obviously. And I’ll say too, I think it’s pretty clear where we as hosts stand on, on the whole, a lot of these societal issues and just being human to each other. From a marketing standpoint , you see these kinds of decisions happen.
[00:15:36] And I know people listening to this, you know, either work in marketing departments, maybe they lead them. And they’re probably in rooms where they’re talking about what do we do with these campaigns? And even down to, do we say happy pride on our social media. From a standpoint of who we employ as in our employee culture, do we say that we’re being inclusive and therefore should we call out that we’re inclusive and say that we [00:16:00] embrace LGBTQ+ on our social during pride month? But to your point, then, do we only do that during pride month?
[00:16:07] Do we try to find the one gay person on our staff who can be our token person, and say, well, look, we hired a gay person. I know they must be quantifying, you know, assessing the risk and benefit of do we try to come out and say, Hey, let’s be inclusive even if we know we’re going to turn people away. Granted bigoted people or ignorant people or who people who just decide that like, well, I can’t support you if you’re going to support gay people. They’re having to make those decisions. And I agree. I think it’s super sad when the brands are making the decision to cater to the people who are ignorant.
[00:16:44] Elizabeth Allen: Right. Hmm. Yeah it’s really hard to watch because while we don’t want people doing it for pandering reasons, there was a complete, and maybe I’m alone in this, and our listeners [00:17:00] can comment on this. I felt there was a complete flip flop in how we dealt with pride this year, and it was almost like the dirty little secret. It was weird, I haven’t seen that happen in a few years, um, and I think a lot of them saw a lot of this pushback from the conservative right, not liking that the brands they liked were saying something about we’re supporting this particular community. And I mean, it’s telling, it might be better. Like part of me is like, okay, at least we know who you are, right? Like, we know the companies who support us wholeheartedly and we know the companies who were doing it because they wanted to hit as many people as possible and thought like, maybe this will make us go viral or whatever.
[00:17:48] Um, but it was wild this year. And I think this is the first year we’ve seen this in a while where it was like, pride was much quieter and I hate, I [00:18:00] hate, I hate, I hate seeing some of these people who they get their way essentially. You threw a little fucking hissy fit.
[00:18:08] There was that one woman on TikTok and anybody who’s on TikTok last year will know exactly what I’m talking about. She was a stay at home mom. Her husband was in the army or something. And she threw a little hissy fit about what Target was doing for pride. How did that one woman win?
[00:18:25] I don’t understand. And especially for somebody who frequents Target all the time, you’re just like I walk in the next year and it’s so clear that you’re making sure that she’s quiet. You don’t have to hear from her and you throw peanuts to the people who might be going to Target who are queer, who is like a good amount.
[00:18:48] Like, if we just look at the population, a good amount of the people who are walking into Target are probably queer. And you’re just like, I’ll throw you like, you know, six rainbow items and [00:19:00] hopefully that’s enough for you. But we really want to make sure this stupid bitch over here is happy.
[00:19:05] Rachel Moore: Right.
[00:19:06] Elizabeth Allen: With her bigoted beliefs. And that’s the whole thing about the Tractor Supply situation. I’ve again, I mentioned it earlier. I’ve never had whiplash so bad where I was like, oh, maybe Tractor Supply is really cool. Maybe I want to check it out. And then within days, they flip flopped and they’re like, Oh, nevermind. Um, we, we, we, we don’t love the gays. We’re just going to be over here.
[00:19:28] Rachel Moore: Yeah.
[00:19:29] Elizabeth Allen: And it was sad because it was one of those few companies where you’re like, wow, I’m actually surprised that given what you do and what market you’re in, that you’re pro LGBTQIA+, you’re pro DEI, you’re pro like Black Lives Matter, and then they reversed it entirely.
[00:19:46] So, you know, I don’t know in, in marketing in general, like it becomes one of those things where it was like, you seem fickle. And in marketing, you really can’t seem fickle like that.[00:20:00]
[00:20:00] Rachel Moore: Yeah.
[00:20:00] Elizabeth Allen: Pick a lane and go with it.
[00:20:02] Rachel Moore: I want to bring something up too, that this was from last week’s episode. So anyone who listened to last week’s episode, it was me solo. But I was downloading from Meltwater Summit. And this correlates exactly to what we were just saying, because we’re talking about marketing to Gen Z.
[00:20:16] By the way, dollars, people, lots of dollars coming out of that. And they choose values. And that’s where they spend their money. When you have a brand doing this, where it’s evident that they are merely catering to whomever’s got the loudest voice in the room, regardless of values.
[00:20:33] Um, if it’s hate versus love, , exclude versus include. And you just described something and Target, would love if someone wants to be on this podcast and come in and talk about this. Great. Let’s do this. But you are showing us with your actions and how you’re choosing to change things in the store and let’s, let’s really minimize this. You are demonstrating that, well, we don’t have values or we value money and we only value [00:21:00] money. We all get it. We know you value money. Of course you do. You wouldn’t have a store and you wouldn’t be like having us come in there. You know, I’m going to buy a toothbrush and $300 later I walk out. But when I talk about that, and if you look at like Gen Z, particularly if they’re like, hey, I see what you’re doing there.
[00:21:15] Maybe I won’t go to you. I’m going to go to Amazon instead and I will not be spending my money with you. Or I’ll spend my money somewhere else. I won’t come and buy my toothbrush and spend $300 there because I see that this didn’t matter to you. What mattered to you was dollars and, and whiny, loudy, bitchy people.
[00:21:32] Um, But that’s super important and they need to be assessing that. I hope they see fallout from it. I hope that any brand that, especially if you’re doing that, well, if we think, look, if you’re going to come out and very much be hard stance on one certain way and stick with that, go. Like you said, at least we know who you are, what you stand for. But don’t do this shit where you go back and forth.
[00:21:52] Like I said, I know, I know there’s a lot of different voices and a lot of probably very wealthy people who are at [00:22:00] upper echelons of the companies that are just making these decisions saying, no, we’re going to go soft on pride this year. But the other thing I was going to say, you have also just signed yourself up for some very slippery sloppage because, um, we’ve got book banning going on in this country, particularly heavy in certain segments.
[00:22:16] What are you going to start doing? Can you not sell books in your Target? Because people are going to be like, no, you’ve got books that are, so what are you going to do? Like make a little banned book section at the back and like try to hide it. Pretend it’s not there. What about, Hey, school season, school supplies are going to go on sale soon.
[00:22:30] Oops. People don’t like public schools nowadays. People are really favoring charter schools and private schools and homeschooling and, and, um, those teachers are groomers. What are you going to start doing? Make it so people can’t buy their school supplies because you don’t want to look like you’re endorsing public school teachers. When does it stop? So, deh.
[00:22:48] Elizabeth Allen: I think you’ve hit the nail on the head is that we’re still marketing to boomers. Why are we still marketing to boomers? And I’m not saying that every boomer is a bigot. I am not saying that at all. But [00:23:00] the idea that like, this is a corporation and they just have to say what will like make the largest population happy. That’s, that’s a boomer.
[00:23:11] Rachel Moore: Reginald agrees with you.
[00:23:12] Elizabeth Allen: It’s actually Gretchen. I don’t know. That’s Gretchen.
[00:23:14] Rachel Moore: Gretchen agrees with you too. She’s like, bitch, say it.
[00:23:17] Elizabeth Allen: What are you doing? Um, but yeah, I never thought about that before. We are still marketing to boomers. How are we still marketing to boomers when boomers are such a small percentage?
[00:23:31] How are we still marketing to boomers when they are like realistically such a small percentage? So we’re only marketing to boomers, but we have Gen X. We have millennials. We have gen alpha and we’re ignoring all of them for boomers and boomers are least likely to be purchasing a lot of these services and products.
[00:23:56] I never thought about that before. That’s exactly what’s happening [00:24:00] is that we’re still marketing to people who aren’t actually buying the products for the most part. And I think a lot of that comes down to diminishing like how much money Millennials are I mean, I will die on the hill that Boomers forget how old millennials are. Because I’m an elder millennial and I’m forty fucking three years old.
[00:24:24] I’ve purchased four houses in my life, but in their head, for a lot of boomers, millennials are in their twenties.Early twenties.
[00:24:31] Rachel Moore: Yeah. Yeah. Or I mean, you just went on a tour. You just took a international trip. You’re spending money and they just can’t fathom that.
[00:24:41] Elizabeth Allen: Exactly. So they have a really deluded sense of how old each of these generations is. And I will say that it’s like boomers, and I would say late gen Xers who I considered like boomer light, they kind of lean that way. Not all of them, but a lot of them lean kind of like where [00:25:00] their ancestors went.
[00:25:01] But it’s like the younger gen Xers, the elder millennials, the millennials, the gen Zers and the gen alphas. How many fucking generations is that? That we’re totally ignoring.
[00:25:12] Rachel Moore: Elizabeth, I think of your, you have a gen alpha and I have two gen alphas and they are watching. They are seeing this play out. By the way, my kids are going to make money. Like they are ready, they are so fiscally on it and they are ready and they’re very enthusiastic about it.
[00:25:29] Y’all, they are so careful about their money and where they spend it with whom. And so please, if you’re listening to this, if you’re in marketing, decision making rooms in your company and you do not have this generational representation, get it quickly.
[00:25:46] Elizabeth Allen: And in the last episode, you talked a lot about advertising and marketing to Gen Z, which I feel like is a totally overlooked generation where we’re still seeing them as children. These people are out in [00:26:00] the working world. They’re spending their money like. Why would you overlook them? I get mad enough as an elder millennial where i’m like bitch. Do you know how old I am? I’ve been spending my money for a long time
[00:26:12] Rachel Moore: Well and I’m Gen X. I don’t matter anywhere. I’m still latch keying my way through the day. Mm
[00:26:20] Elizabeth Allen: It blows my mind. And I, I will tell these people all day long that I’m like, again, bitch, I am 43 years old. I’m going through perimenopause. I have an 11-year-old daughter. I purchased several houses. But you still see me as somebody who was like 22. And even the people who are 22, those are the people actually, from what I’ve seen in that generation who are the most ambitious in getting out there and building their careers. So to completely discount them. And I think that’s a lot of what that is. And I think you hit that nail on the head is like, pride, DEI, all of these informed like [00:27:00] ways to market, they’re just discounting. Those are the people you want to be talking to. Because honestly, boomers, I love you and all, but you’re going to be dead soon. Okay.
[00:27:10] Rachel Moore: Yeah, me too! I’m gonna be dead someday too!
[00:27:12] Elizabeth Allen: Because they have the money and they’re going to be spending it and they’re going to be spending it more long term. Oh my God, I will go on this rant till the day I die. It’s one of my biggest pet peeves about how we look at the generations, but like, how are we still looking at boomers as the main generation when they’re not the ones spending the money? They’re not the ones impacting the marketing. They’re not the ones impacting the sales. Like it’s really gen X, millennials, Gen Z and alpha.
[00:27:42] Rachel Moore: Again, who’s in the room making the decisions. And unfortunately a lot of the times, , people with most of the money might be the boomers.
[00:27:49] Elizabeth Allen: Because they won’t fucking retire.
[00:27:52] Rachel Moore: They’re like, no cling, cling to the money. Well, I know we, we absolutely could go on about this for a long time, but we are going to take a quick [00:28:00] break and we’ll be right back
[00:28:01] JTM S2 E05 – Seg2
[00:28:02] All right. And we’re going to head into the good marketing question mark segment. So believe this was once again brought up by our illustrious co host Tanya. Um, hopefully her pedicure is going great and she has gorgeous toes again. Um, I know I’m going to, I mean, she’s going to be like, and that’s
[00:28:20] . Um, I mean, I, I would not be the marketing woman that I am today. If I did not understand the need to go get an emergency pedicure and I know you get it too. So it’s fine. It’s almost like when you’re like, Hey, I don’t want you to try to come into work when you’re sick because you’re not going to be at your best. She would not have been at her best.
[00:28:38] Elizabeth Allen: You know what, I love her more for that moment. I really do.
[00:28:42] Rachel Moore: That’s right. That’s right. She personifies everything we should be.
[00:28:45] All right. So we got a screenshot from Tanya. And we’re, we’re being joined by the person who shared the screenshot in the first place. How’s your toe?
[00:28:55] Tanya Ballard Brown: Listen. Holiday week. It is sandal wearing week [00:29:00] and my toenail was looking crazy, and I only have one pair of sneakers. So I was like this ain’t gonna work out and I need to go get a pedicure. Now let me tell you marketing peoples, these people should do a better job of marketing because I got to tell you. And of course I know every region every state is different what I pay for this pedicure this pedicure I got would have been double what I paid for this just now he all wax paraffin and all these lotions and potions and creams and rubbing and massaging and all this.
[00:29:35] I was like, okay, I thought I was just gonna get a polish change, you know, and a little somebody to go in there and make that broken toenail look good. I didn’t know I was getting all this. Okay. So I did leave a very good tip because I was not expecting that.
[00:29:50] Elizabeth Allen: We did talk a lot about your emergency pedicure heavy quotes.
[00:29:54] Rachel Moore: Yes. I was like, I was like, I hope they triaged her right in. Cause it urgent.
[00:29:59] Tanya Ballard Brown: It [00:30:00] was because you cannot be cute. And, I get the gel things on my toes. So like it cracked off. It was looking
[00:30:07] Rachel Moore: Yeah,
[00:30:09] Tanya Ballard Brown: crazy.
[00:30:10] Rachel Moore: That’s not a quick fix.
[00:30:11] Tanya Ballard Brown: I used to get all kinds of crazy colors, but usually I stick to like oranges and reds. Maybe a blue. This is one of the times when I did a green and the green was as green as the green, our names is that green, right? I ain’t got that in my arsenal. So I could have almost tried to, you know, let’s just let somebody fix on it. And it looks so good. He did a wonderful job. He did.
[00:30:37] Rachel Moore: I’m glad.
[00:30:37] Elizabeth Allen: This is where I admit that for somebody who never literally paints her nails, I have every color of the rainbow times 30. Why? I don’t understand. I don’t paint my nails, but I could have given you this green that you’re talking about right now without a problem. Why? Why?
[00:30:54] Tanya Ballard Brown: I paint my hands. I very rarely do my hands, which I’m guessing probably looks [00:31:00] odd. Cause it’s like, she has her toes all painted up like a whore, but, but her nails look like she does some work. Well, you know, a party in the bottom. What is it? Business at the top party on the bottom.
[00:31:14] Elizabeth Allen: There’s nothing worse than bad nails. Like I remember working in the office and like, when the season started to get warmer, like looking under the stalls of the bathroom, it’d be like, bitch, you should not be in sandals right now. Like you should be fixing this.
[00:31:28] Tanya Ballard Brown: Your heel is all rusty and crusty. It’s not even about the nails at this point. If your heels are all rusty and crusty, get you some Pretty Foots and if you get you some Pretty Foots like spring break-ish time, so like March. By by the time it’s really sandal season, you’ll be good to go
[00:31:46] Rachel Moore: Or at least a pumice stone or a pumice stone or whatever it’s called in your shower, because I use that.
[00:31:50] Tanya Ballard Brown: Now some of those people need Pretty Foots. You can use a pumice stone because you don’t let your shit go all to hell. These people need Pretty Foots. [00:32:00] They need to peel it all the layers and they need all that
[00:32:05] Rachel Moore: Well, let’s, let’s drive back because What?
[00:32:08] Tanya Ballard Brown: There was drive through Starbucks, which is not everywhere. But I’m home now and all the things that I like right there. Acai berry something, something,
[00:32:19] Rachel Moore: Ooh.
[00:32:19] Tanya Ballard Brown: And I think it’s got actually something else in it because I feel real hype right now. Usually I came in hot!
[00:32:25] Okay.
[00:32:27] Rachel Moore: Well, well, you timed it perfectly. So we are in the good marketing question mark segment. So, let me describe the screenshot you sent. So, you sent us a screenshot that of a post that was shared by blacktwitterthreads on Instagram.
[00:32:41] And it’s a screenshot of a quoted tweet. So I will read you the original tweet and then I will read you the quoted tweet. So the original tweet is by someone with the handle at underscore original Q. And it says, you could be in a middle of a crisis. Fashion Nova will text you. And then it’s blanked out something. Read the room. And then it says, then the quote [00:33:00] tweet, Fashion Nova
[00:33:01] Tanya Ballard Brown: The blanked out is bitch read the room.
[00:33:04] Rachel Moore: Okay. So it says, bitch, read the room too. I can say bitch. And then Fashion Nova quote tweeted that and said, bitch, read the text. We got a deal for you. Kissy face emoji. And your question was if that was good marketing. First of all, Elizabeth, what do you think? I mean, I, I think I’m not familiar with Fashion Nova as a brand or a handle.
[00:33:23] And I don’t know if you are either. Tanya, you might be. So let’s do a little round the room. Who’s familiar with Fashion Nova?
[00:33:29] Nova
[00:33:30] Tanya Ballard Brown: Fashion Nova is where all the little, um, Instagram girlies get all their books and booty clothes. Which is all your boobies and your ass. It’s, it’s, it’s for the, it’s for the, um, the big booty haver.
[00:33:51] Rachel Moore: All right. Well, now we know. Oh my God. And this is why, why do we not like, I need to put the video out of this podcast because we just got some twerking by Elizabeth at the [00:34:00] camera. Love
[00:34:01] Tanya Ballard Brown: I can’t even twerk. My body doesn’t move like that.. That. like, oh lord, my ancestors. This might be why I don’t have any kids. They like, ka chow. Let this die with you,
[00:34:13] Elizabeth Allen: I think it’s good marketing. I’m just gonna throw it out there. I think it’s good marketing. I think it’s very funny. I think it’s not high stakes because it’s just like a response to a comment, which is always funny. If I saw it as like a potential customer of Fashion Nova, I’d be like, I like them. Like, like it would give me a little thrill for a second.
[00:34:36] Um, so I think it’s good marketing. I especially think it’s good marketing because it’s being reposted by blacktwitterthreads. And Black Twitter is notoriously the funniest part of Twitter. And so immediately I’m like, it’s funny. I like it. I appreciate it. It’s smart. It’s quick. Which is what Black Twitter is known for. So I don’t know. I think it’s hilarious.
[00:34:59] Rachel Moore: I do [00:35:00] too. I’m co signed. I think it’s great. People might be like, Ooh, but they said, bitch.
[00:35:04] Elizabeth Allen: But the people who are like, eh, they said, bitch aren’t the target market.
[00:35:07] Rachel Moore: Exactly. exactly. Thank you. Thank you for saying it for the for the room. That’s right.
[00:35:12] Tanya Ballard Brown: I saw it and cackled and I actually went back to find it because I thought about it and was like, is this good marketing? Let me ask my peoples.
[00:35:25] Rachel Moore: Is it good marketing for every brand? No, no, and y’all, I’m sure we’ve all seen it. People float into discussion posts, threads, communities, whatever. I saw one yesterday. Um, I’m in a Facebook group, it’s local marketers and they were asking, Hey, I want to start marketing myself more on social media.
[00:35:44] Here are two things I whipped up with AI, which one do you like better? And to a person, thankfully, everybody was good marketers. Cause they said, who’s your target audience. Everybody asks that question. They’re like, doesn’t matter if we like it or not. Are we your target audience? [00:36:00] What are you selling? And they’re like, cool marketing services.
[00:36:01] Like, we’re not your target audience. Then you need to go, you need to decide what is. That’s the crux. It’s like, like you said, Tanya target audience. We were just talking about people, maybe the TikTok lady who didn’t like pride at Target last year. Probably not the target audience for that particular tweet.
[00:36:20] She not going to like it, but, uh, the people who would shop at Fashion Nova and follow them on social probably would. And if it turns people away, they’re not your target market and they were fine with that. Fine with it.
[00:36:33] Elizabeth Allen: I think it was great. I totally agree with you. It’s hitting the target. It’s funny. It’s quick. It’s not super serious. It’s not like taking a lot of time to make the joke. Again, very low stakes. Just like throw that out there. Immediately, I love it. And if I was interested in shopping Fashion Nova, I’d be like, Oh, okay. I like them..
[00:36:56] Rachel Moore: Mm hmm. Yeah.
[00:36:57] Tanya Ballard Brown: And listen I [00:37:00] have two things from Fashion Nova, that’s it. Just because I’m not, um,
[00:37:05] Rachel Moore: Boobs and ass. You don’t want to show your boobs and ass.
[00:37:09] Tanya Ballard Brown: I mean, I do want to show my boobs and ass, because, you know, sometimes, a girl is single, hello, hello, Jeffrey, I’m still single, however,
[00:37:19] Elizabeth Allen: Did you see my post to you about that I finally did watch American Fiction?
[00:37:23] Tanya Ballard Brown: yes.
[00:37:24] Did you enjoy it? should watch that movie. That movie was great.
[00:37:27] Wasn’t it? I mean, and I
[00:37:28] Elizabeth Allen: And I totally understand your love of Jeffrey Wright now. Totally.
[00:37:32] Tanya Ballard Brown: I get some of the criticism and that it felt a little because I think that when they wrote this, it was, um, actually maybe late 99, early 2000. We’re getting off track early 2000. So it may have felt that era ish. I still enjoyed it. I don’t care. Let it go people. Enjoy the
[00:37:49] Elizabeth Allen: He was still so cute. The minute I watched that movie, I was like, I get the love of Jeffrey Wright? Like I was fully on board. So that [00:38:00] alone.
[00:38:00] Tanya Ballard Brown: But that whole character is, is every man I’ve loved and who has abandoned me on the side of the road because that is my type. So, I mean, as soon as he came on the screen, being all difficult and moody, I was like, Oh my God.
[00:38:16] I’m gonna bring this back home. Um, I have two Fashion Nova things and that is it. One I bought well long ago and it doesn’t fit anymore because I’m smaller and one thing that I do still wear a little jean dress. It’s not actually any boobs or whatever it’s just I happen to love me a denim dress and I think I have too many actually so I’m gonna start culling the herd a bit but I was going to say, don’t sleep on it though.
[00:38:40] Here’s the thing. It is fast fashion. And depending on where you fall in regard to that, I can understand how people are like, I don’t want to be bothered. I got that. If you’ve decided that nobody is pure and you want some hoe shit, you want some party clothes.
[00:38:56] They have things there that aren’t quite as, [00:39:00] um, um, that’s not all, I said booty and boobs. But it’s some other stuff, but it is made for curvier bodies, which is what I was trying to get at. They’re making them for women who have behinds and thighs and you know, it’s cut for that kind of body.
[00:39:15] So you might actually see. Well, I mean, if you’re a woman and you have a body, you’re real. And I know that’s not what you meant, but where I’m going with that is, I do still think they are targeting the waist trainer enhanced bodies, though. Do think that is a bit of the target market, but even so, that still means that if you happen to have hips and thighs, there might be some options there that you might like. Cause that’s what I wanted, a bodycon dress several years ago, and that’s how I got the one that I bought. And actually, I wore it to our friend’s wedding in Miami down there, and he kept saying, why are your titties out? I said, because it’s Miami. I know that I am chaste at all other times, but we in Miami.
[00:39:58] Rachel Moore: All right. Well we [00:40:00] decided that’s good marketing. So a stamp of approval, though, again, good marketing for that particular brand. We’re going to take a quick break and we’ll be right back.
[00:40:09] JTM S2 E005 – Seg3
[00:40:10] And we’re back with the final segment of the podcast which is We Got Got. Um, I will defer to someone else who got got. I believe Elizabeth, you did get got. Would you like to share where you got got by?
[00:40:23] Elizabeth Allen: All right. So I got got twice. This was not a social media thing. This was not like a marketing thing, but I got got by getting a new cat because my husband fell in love with the cat at an animal control center and I got got, and now we have a new cat. But the funniest thing that I got got by is, um, being in Liverpool and buying Beatles shit.
[00:40:47] Okay. So I came home, Liverpool and London, I came home with a Beatles hoodie. A Beatles t shirt, a print of Abbey Road Studios. We actually have [00:41:00] a leaf from John Lennon’s house, which one of the tour guides gave my daughter because he learned that she has hibiscus plants that she named John Lennon and Yoko, and he thought that was like very charming.
[00:41:12] So, if you’re going to Liverpool or London, you will likely be got by the Beatles bug, if you are a Beatles fan. So, um, yeah, I walked away with a lot of that. That was my current thing. And then the other thing that I got got by is not so much a product, but a look, okay. And it was from TikTok. Was people wearing jumpsuits with a tank top or like a little like baby doll tee. So
[00:41:42] I previously had had a few jumpsuits that I wore last year. And they were like tank style, like spaghetti strap style, but I’m not feeling great about my body right now. So like, I don’t really want to wear them.
[00:41:55] And so all of a sudden I was buying all these fucking tank tops and all these little [00:42:00] like baby doll tees to wear under my jumpsuits, which makes them so goddamn cute.
[00:42:06] So I got got because I was on TikTok and I was watching all these people buying like the Halara jumpsuits and all of these jumpsuits and they were wearing this cute little tank top under it. And for some reason to me, it made it so much cuter. So then I went on and I bought a bunch of tank tops.
[00:42:26] Now I didn’t get got by a particular brand of tank top,
[00:42:30] Rachel Moore: But the look.
[00:42:31] Elizabeth Allen: I definitely bought them. So yeah, so it was Beatles shit and tank tops for jumpsuits.
[00:42:37] Rachel Moore: Nice. Tanya, did you get got aside from the pedicure? I mean, you kind of got got, but you were going anyway.
[00:42:43] Tanya Ballard Brown: No, I got got in a good way with that pedicure though Um, because I mean they handed me a thing was like which one of these and the most expensive one still wasn’t expensive again, relative, I guess it’s expensive here because at home, that’s what I’m paying for [00:43:00] way less than what I get in this place.
[00:43:02] Rachel Moore: Nice.
[00:43:03] Tanya Ballard Brown: If I got, got, I got gotten a good, I just said that one, you know, that one and she said, okay, and pick your color, which I did. And then I sat down and that man went to work and he was rubbing all the oils and the lotions and the creams and the hot stones and the all this and the towels and then some more lotions and creams as the hot towels and stones. I was like, I didn’t know I had paid for all this.
[00:43:27] Okay, sir and he was very polite Which of course, you know was expected but I was like he I need to make sure I tip this gentleman well. This was a nice relaxing experience Um, I’m trying to think if I got got by any thing else.
[00:43:45] Well, i’m about to get got my cousin. So Duck Donut is here. I try not to think about that. I have forgotten that. Okay. But my cousin reminded me that Duck Donut is here I semi blocked it out again, [00:44:00] and then I remembered this morning. Ooh Duck Donut is here And I was gonna go get me a Duck Donut, but they closed early. So I almost could have almost got got by you, but you closed your doors early cause you open early.
[00:44:13] So you close early. I get it. Because I had already put my dozen together on your website. I had already done the calculus about which 6 to 12 donuts I was gonna. And I visited my uncle. I even told him, I’m going to Duck Donuts, is there any donut there you like? And he said, any donut you bring me is the one I would like.
[00:44:35] So I was like, oh good. They closed their doors. Hopefully, I will wake up tomorrow, and I won’t be thinking about this, and they’ll be closed again, and then I won’t get got by this donut thing, because I don’t really need this donut.
[00:44:47] Rachel Moore: You’re hoping the clocks work for you.
[00:44:48] Tanya Ballard Brown: Don’t need twelve donuts. And it’s just the two of us, so we don’t need twelve donuts between the two of us. So I’m going to just try my best to do better[00:45:00]
[00:45:00] Rachel Moore: Uh, now I want a donut. I want a donut right now.
[00:45:03] Tanya Ballard Brown: Have you ever had Duck Donuts?
[00:45:04] Rachel Moore: I don’t. No. I’ve never heard of this.
[00:45:05] Tanya Ballard Brown: If you go to Myrtle Beach, it’s like Duck Donut is there. And actually there might even be one in the DC area, but again, I try to block it out because I like a donut and I don’t need a donut.
[00:45:18] Rachel Moore: Well, who needs a donut? But of course, donuts are fantastic. We want them. Um, I’m, I’m going to get got, I know. I’m just saying I’m going to get got, and I will share about how I get got. Um, we’re going to Fan Expo this weekend. Um, so, which is our Comic Con locally. So, Georgia and I are going. I’m probably going to cosplay in some way.
[00:45:36] She’s definitely going to. My son and his girlfriend are going to go. Uh, we always take some money because there’s all the merch there, all the nerdy sci fi, comic, anime, movies, TV merch. And I’m going to come away with something because I always gotta, gotta replenish my stockpile of those. And I usually look for, so I’m going to keep my eyes open. Um, one of my favorite shows [00:46:00] is Firefly and then the subsequent movies, Humanity.
[00:46:02] Elizabeth Allen: Firefly is great!
[00:46:04] Tanya Ballard Brown: You know what, it’s been enough time since I’ve watched the whole thing that I might do a re binge of the, I might have binged, re binged of a re binged
[00:46:12] Rachel Moore: so good. I just love it so much. Yeah. I was just telling Elizabeth at the top of the podcast, we were rewatching that and it made me think of, uh, you know, It’ll, it all makes sense because it talks about how sometimes girls are not as easy to get along with as boys. But, um, I, I had a necklace that had a, quote, I think it said no power in the verse can stop me.
[00:46:31] And I lost it. And I looked last year, I couldn’t find it. So I always keep an eye out and I like, I like nice necklaces. Some of those are a little cheaper, some of the booths and I want a nice necklace. So we’ll see if I can find it. That’s not going to stop me from spending money.
[00:46:46] I’m definitely going to buy at least a few things and then I will talk about those next week and how they got me. Just because they’re nerdy and stuff. And like I said, we need to have Reginald appear on our social media, which brings us [00:47:00] to our outro because that is all the time we have for today, everybody. But on our way out, let’s see. I’ll start with Tanya first. Tanya, where can we find and follow you and your intern that you’re holding right now?
[00:47:12] Tanya Ballard Brown: I am always at T double B T D O U B L E B. And she is always at Butterbean Ballard Brown, all mashed together. And she actually has some new content up.
[00:47:28] Rachel Moore: I saw that today. It was cute.
[00:47:29] Tanya Ballard Brown: Not one, but two posts this week. She is on fire this week. She may have a third one,
[00:47:35] Rachel Moore: Awesome. All right.
[00:47:36] Tanya Ballard Brown: Catch me outside, catch us outside. Bye.
[00:47:40] Rachel Moore: That’s right, that’s right. And Elizabeth, where can people follow you and any of your fur babies that are, they all kind of conglomerated into your social?
[00:47:46] Elizabeth Allen: They’re all conglomerated. Of course, TikTok liked to fuck with me this week. So I showed up to Ireland. I had my 14th account on TikTok, which was working just fine. And then my family and I took a nap and then I [00:48:00] woke up and without any warning, my 14th TikTok account was dead. And so I had to create a 15th account, a 15th TikTok account. And then a couple of days ago, the 15th TikTok account got destroyed, but I could still log into the 14th TikTok account randomly. I I hate this fucking app. Like, it’s like Stockholm Syndrome at this point. I don’t know why
[00:48:24] Rachel Moore: It’s a toxic relationship.
[00:48:26] Elizabeth Allen: Yeah, it’s a toxic relationship. So, um, so I’m on my 15th or my 14th technically, but I’m also my 15th. And when this one eventually dies, it will be my 16th because it’s only a matter of time. Uh, but you can also find me at LinkedIn at ElizabethAllen1001. That’s probably the best place to get me because TikTok hates my guts. No matter how much I love it, and I dedicate my life, aka my viewing hours, to it.
[00:48:55] Rachel Moore: There’s a part of me that’s tempted. There’s a part of me that’s tempted , you know, how we [00:49:00] do season one, eight episodes, season two. I think we should just change seasons every time you have a new, we like, and now we’re in the 16th season.
[00:49:07] Elizabeth Allen: I I’m so frustrated because like, it would be one thing, like I got no warnings. Literally, we were in Ireland. We landed in Ireland. I was using TikTok just fine. We took a nap. I woke up and my account was gone. Not a single, not a single warning. And then I had to create a 15th. And then when I woke up literally yesterday, my 15th was banned but I didn’t get a warning about that either. And then I was able to randomly log into my 14th. Um, yeah.
[00:49:37] Rachel Moore: Do you think it’s cause you were traveling?
[00:49:39] Elizabeth Allen: I’ll never understand TikTok’s obsession with me because I’m like, I don’t have a lot of followers because you won’t let me get there. My very first account, I was like creeping up on 10, 000 and then they killed me. And ever since then, it’s like a thousand, if that.
[00:49:57] Rachel Moore: Dang, they are obsessed
[00:49:58] Elizabeth Allen: And every time you’re [00:50:00] like, I swear to God, there’s somebody who hates me at TikTok.
[00:50:02] Rachel Moore: Did you hear though too last week’s episode that I was so excited at the conference I was at, I had opted to sit in the very last row. Cause I’m like, I need to be able to move around and stand and stuff. And, um, some dude was talking about TikTok, about how to market on TikTok and stuff like that, how to craft good stories.
[00:50:18] And he was talking about how you don’t need to have high production quality. He’s like, yeah. And apparently there was like a user, um, Reesa. And I yelled out Teesa! And a couple of other people shouted out too. And everyone went and then he talked about the hawk tua and like making references and we’re all like I totally know who that is.
[00:50:36] So I was so excited that cause you educated me on Reesa Teesa. And I watched the whole thing and I got my mom to watch the whole thing. And, uh, but I just love that it came full circle .
[00:50:45] Elizabeth Allen: I love the app, but the app does not love me, is pretty much where I am with that.
[00:50:50] Rachel Moore: That’s right. It just, it is, but we’ll just be like, okay, we’re now on 16th season and 17th season and stuff.
[00:50:56] Elizabeth Allen: Especially because I’m like, I’m nobody. Why, why are you so focused on [00:51:00] me?
[00:51:00] Why are you so be, I bet somebody looks for you and they’re waiting for you to like start another one. And then they’re like, and maybe they lurk on one of your, our mutual friends, TikToks and like waits for you to pop out of the network
[00:51:10] I don’t know. I’m not that interesting guys. Just like let it go.
[00:51:14] Rachel Moore: You are though. Come on.
[00:51:16] They, they are, they’re obsessed. They need to see you try to make you cry. And you’re like, Mm,
[00:51:20] Elizabeth Allen: The fact that I don’t even get warnings now is what kills me. Like, at least before I’d get warnings to be like, you’re on an account warning. I’m like, fair, because I’m usually telling you all you’re morons.
[00:51:30] Rachel Moore: That seems fishy. That seems fishy.
[00:51:32] Elizabeth Allen: But the last couple ones, they’re just were like, no, we’re done with you.
[00:51:35] Rachel Moore: They’re like, no, thanks . I’m sure we’ll see you soon. See you soon. See you next time.
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